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Peeps,

I like to look at the poker hand analasis sub forum, reading what people say, opinions, etc. ITs very interesting.

But to be honest, 99% of the questions are all based on premium hands pre-flop, like a big ace or large pocket pair.

Has the new breed of player evolved into just premium hand raising/calling robots or is it me ? No matter where you go, or who you play against most players especially in the mid/late final stages of tournaments just sit for hours waiting for an ace or a premium hand.

To me, the skill factor in poker ( more related to no-limit hold 'em ) has diminished a little, all they seem to do is sit and wait ( which is fine of thats how you want to play )

I must be one of the old school who calls and raises with rags like playing ace jack suited.

I think you've made a rather rash generalization of all tournie players based on a small sample size (PHA board).

In the arsenal of any decent poker player under the right conditions any two cards can be playable for profit.

Regards

SJ

I don't think its only about premium hands, just people don't talk about playing rags in hand analisis because its often just an excuse to
explain a bad beat or explain how it was a cooler.
If the hand you wanted to analize was starting with rags people, would just criticise it by saying you shouldn't play with rags .

Plus big, interesting hands often occur when two premium starting hands bump into each other.
I think lots of people are playing with holdings other than Premium cards.

More often than not when you play "non" premium hands, your decisions are quite straight foward.

It is people's inability to lay down AA KK QQ that causes questions to arise in how the hand played out

Could not agree with you more on that one mate.

 :goodpost: ;iagree;

good post

As Flushy isn't here I'll say it. It's because most people are retards who know nothing about poker..or "tight" as they are ussually called.


BTW..AJ suited is not a rag hand..really it isn't.

Also..why has the skill factor in HE diminished for you when the others play Premium hands only? Surely that means you're absolutely cleaning up in every singe tourney? You can raise each hand and know that if you get played back at someone has a premium hand.

I would almost think that your post was inspired by a bad beat in which you played with rags and hit hard..KK or AA man couldn't lay them down and rivered you or something like that.

Oh how I hate it when someone uses term "Retard" to describe someone who plays poker badly. It's much too serious a word to use in this context.

Needed to get that off my chest. Sorry boldie, no offence. Carry on.

Sorry Red..didn't mean to cause any offence you giant, giant luck box. :)

I think this part of the original question kind of sums it up... if these people are getting to the "late final stages of tournaments", then they must be doing something right.

And it's the way most books preach so long as your chipstack, in relation to blinds, allows.

Gavin Smith made a comment on his new site the other day

If u were to fold AJ everytime you get it over your poker career this wouldnt be a bad thing...

he reckons AJ is in negative equity for the majority of players over their lifetime

just thought I'd add that

I don't disagree..position is everything though with a hand like AJ. Most people consider AJ to be a premium hand (big mistake) and that's why they lose with it. It's too big a hand to be a rag hand but you have to know that from EP you don't stick all your chips in with them unless you REALLY are low on chippies.

I'd rather get my chips in with 6-4 than AJ.

yes we all know you do..even with a monster stack or average stack ;)

I think people make more mistakes with premium hands and so most of the topics on PHA are about hands that "went wrong"

You don't really get into much trouble playing hands like 44 or 97os etc....  You either flop a monster and clean someone out or you miss and fold.

It would be a pretty boring thread if it went along the lines of....  "So I had 97os and the flop came A K T, One guy bet the next guy raised and I folded. Where did I go wrong? "

I'm sure any cash player can prove that wrong, its positive in my poker tracker anyway (been dealt 4000 times)..

Not sure about the point of this thread, as a cash player im pretty sure most of my income comes from playing utter filth that doesnt compute with a thinking player trying to put you on a range.