Title: Starting again... Post by: sovietsong on November 22, 2007, 07:34:10 PM Hello all,
I was wondering what some of the seasoned pro's we have hear at blonde would do if they were starting from a micro roll in todays poker world! I have asked a few mates and i get mixed responses. Here is the senario - You have $200 and can play online or live, cash, MTTs or SnG's what would you do. One of the first people I asked was TheClaimer, he said he would buy into Ten $20 MTT's and take one down lol. I'm pretty much in this situation after another long tilting/losing month and would love to know what the big guns and semi - pro's would do! Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Ironside on November 22, 2007, 07:37:04 PM i aint a pro or a big gun
if your playing poker for a living do as the claimer says if you go bust then get a job if you are using poker as a bit of fun and a 2nd income then go down to mirco limits and build up slowly Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Graham C on November 22, 2007, 07:37:30 PM the small fry (me) have run dry to the tune of being left with $11 in my Stars account and rather than redeposit, I'm going to build it up from there playing the micro limit cash games. Started last night and pretty much doubled my bankroll in one sitting playing NL2.
I'd play cash if I had $200. Start low down and grind it out, depends on where you want to get to I guess. Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: sovietsong on November 22, 2007, 07:39:00 PM I'm not looking for advice just wanted to know what 'You' would do. The only limiting factor is you cant deposit more.
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: TightEnd on November 22, 2007, 07:39:46 PM 20 $10 stts, 30% roi, takes me to $260.
then 10 $20 stts, 20% roi, takes me to $60+$240 = $300 and so on deffo online not live due to exes and SNGs not MTTs Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Ironside on November 22, 2007, 07:40:59 PM well i would play mirco limit its what i am doing now and my roll is over 10x bigger than $200
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: sovietsong on November 22, 2007, 07:41:38 PM 20 $10 stts, 30% roi, takes me to $260. then 10 $20 stts, 20% roi, takes me to $60+$240 = $300 and so on deffo online not live due to exes and SNGs not MTTs Easy as that! Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: sovietsong on November 22, 2007, 07:43:51 PM well i would play mirco limit its what i am doing now and my roll is over 10x bigger than $200 Fair enough, i'm rubbish at cash but loads of people seem to climb the ladder from the micro levels so cant be that bad a place to start! Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Ironside on November 22, 2007, 07:45:04 PM well i would play mirco limit its what i am doing now and my roll is over 10x bigger than $200 Fair enough, i'm rubbish at cash but loads of people seem to climb the ladder from the micro levels so cant be that bad a place to start! small buy in stt are also an option with 200$ though i wouldnt personally buy in for more than $5 Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: kinboshi on November 22, 2007, 07:54:48 PM well i would play mirco limit its what i am doing now and my roll is over 10x bigger than $200 Fair enough, i'm rubbish at cash but loads of people seem to climb the ladder from the micro levels so cant be that bad a place to start! It's what I've done. In fact, it's what I'm still doing. I have been able to build up a decent sized bankroll to allow me to play the odd live tournament, buy a few nice things, pay off a few bills. Not sure what I'd do if I didn't have a job to pay the mortgage though. $200 wouldn't be enough to to earn enough to live if you're going to grind away at the low-level cash games. It'd have to be the risky MTT approach - win or bust. Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: sovietsong on November 22, 2007, 07:57:35 PM I have a job and doubt anybody could make some a living from $200 unless they lived at home!!
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: jakally on November 22, 2007, 08:24:17 PM I would decide what my medium term objectives were from that $200. i.e. do I just want to stay in the game? - if yes ultra low risk, probably $2 - $5 SNG's. or do I want to try and build a meaningful roll, at a reasonable rate? - if yes then probably start at $25NL cash, but buy in short. or do I want to 'go for it' but risk insta-busto? If yes then take Claimers route, or take a shot at a bigger cash game. Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Nem on November 22, 2007, 08:44:06 PM $200 I would play hu sng's at $5.
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Djinn on November 22, 2007, 08:45:34 PM Live is way too expensive and inefficient - 6x $5 SNGs until reaching $400-$500 then $10 and so on. Formulaic, boring, but the most stable way to make money if you follow the System. Dana did it! She went from $100 to $1000 in only 7 months... ;)
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on November 22, 2007, 08:54:37 PM Borrow, lose, Borrow again, lose again... repeat cycle...
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: GlasgowBandit on November 22, 2007, 08:57:17 PM I'd take the $200 and lump it on Del Mar Sunset in the 9:20 at Wolves this evening :)
Don't say you haven't been warned. Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: M3boy on November 22, 2007, 09:12:56 PM Lump it on one MTT - shit or bust! lol
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on November 22, 2007, 09:13:54 PM I'd take the $200 and lump it on Del Mar Sunset in the 9:20 at Wolves this evening :) Don't say you haven't been warned. lol, i think you have been told what to do... lay lay lay! LOL ;) gl bandit Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: GlasgowBandit on November 22, 2007, 09:27:32 PM The morra night!
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Sheriff Fatman on November 22, 2007, 09:32:51 PM I'd play low stakes and bonus whore the sites - the bonuses are significant to a small bankroll and worth chasing.
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Graham C on November 22, 2007, 10:04:48 PM How did Bandit's tip do?
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: seven2unsuited on November 22, 2007, 10:48:20 PM Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Graham C on November 22, 2007, 10:53:19 PM lol not your usual GB tip then :D
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Longy on November 22, 2007, 11:13:09 PM I would probably bonus whore like Sherriff suggested playing firstly $5 sngs (assuming the bonuses clear playing these) and moving up using 50 BI roll when moving up.
Of course you can do this playing cash but you are only really rolled for NL10 and from what i understand it is mad playing them limits, the varience is massive. Mtt's i would steer clear of, personally but im a bankroll nit. Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on November 22, 2007, 11:24:16 PM lol not your usual GB tip then :D Lol, he was winding you up, it runs tomorrow night. Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Graham C on November 22, 2007, 11:39:22 PM lol ty, still can lose then!
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Sheriff Fatman on November 22, 2007, 11:49:13 PM I would probably bonus whore like Sherriff suggested playing firstly $5 sngs (assuming the bonuses clear playing these) and moving up using 50 BI roll when moving up. Of course you can do this playing cash but you are only really rolled for NL10 and from what i understand it is mad playing them limits, the varience is massive. Mtt's i would steer clear of, personally but im a bankroll nit. Nicely bankrolled for 0.5/1 limit though and the bonuses will clear faster playing limit. If he hates limit hold'em then consider Omaha Hi Lo if there's sufficient traffic (more callers, more raked hands). Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: AlexMartin on November 23, 2007, 01:03:41 AM Go bust again and again and again. Then think you've cracked it, and go bust again.
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Longy on November 23, 2007, 02:33:07 AM I would probably bonus whore like Sherriff suggested playing firstly $5 sngs (assuming the bonuses clear playing these) and moving up using 50 BI roll when moving up. Of course you can do this playing cash but you are only really rolled for NL10 and from what i understand it is mad playing them limits, the varience is massive. Mtt's i would steer clear of, personally but im a bankroll nit. Nicely bankrolled for 0.5/1 limit though and the bonuses will clear faster playing limit. If he hates limit hold'em then consider Omaha Hi Lo if there's sufficient traffic (more callers, more raked hands). I agree limit is probably the best way to go as you clear the bonus super fast that way, personally i would probably be paying for a new mouse and other things after playing limit through the furstration of the stupid damn game. Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: sovietsong on November 23, 2007, 08:31:44 AM I like the go busto again suggestions, why change the habbit of a lifetime!!
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: boldie on November 23, 2007, 12:34:17 PM Either play STT's or play some sattelites to bigger tourneys on stars and build up a roll of T$ or W$ :)
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: thetank on November 23, 2007, 12:42:28 PM We are only on this planet for a short time.
I'm not sure if there's a higher being, and if we are all here for a purpose, but if there is and we are, then it sure as shit ain't micro limit cash. Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: boldie on November 23, 2007, 12:43:06 PM We are only on this planet for a short time. I'm not sure if there's a higher being, and if we are all here for a purpose, but if there is and we are, then it sure as shit ain't micro limit cash. lmao..wiser words have never been spoking :) Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: ACE2M on November 23, 2007, 12:45:42 PM play $25 cash games until you double your role then play $50 till you double again, start playing some $20 stts as well at this point then move up when you quadruple your original roll. it's how i always do it. just avoid the bit where you get to a few thousand then get drunk and start playing super aggro 5/10 plo against proffesionals. I'm just at the end of one of those cycles, it's very depressing.
We are only on this planet for a short time. I'm not sure if there's a higher being, and if we are all here for a purpose, but if there is and we are, then it sure as shit ain't micro limit cash. amen Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Tragic on November 24, 2007, 03:31:33 PM play $25 cash games until you double your role then play $50 till you double again, start playing some $20 stts as well at this point then move up when you quadruple your original roll. it's how i always do it. just avoid the bit where you get to a few thousand then get drunk and start playing super aggro 5/10 plo against proffesionals. I'm just at the end of one of those cycles, it's very depressing. Fun as fook while ur doing it tho :) Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Tragic on November 24, 2007, 03:32:43 PM Also soviet I see you doing well on crypto mtts alot of the time. If they are your forte why not try mass playing the £2ers? THere's on like every 15 min? Gotta be some sick value in those!
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: sovietsong on November 24, 2007, 03:40:16 PM I only ever did well on the 2k gtds with 20 buy ins etc i found when i went lower i could comprehend the plays! To be totally honest though mate i'm sick of poker at the moment, i dont enjoy it play too much and prob am going to have a break and return with a few quid so i can play against people who have an idea of how to play!
Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: AdamG on November 24, 2007, 04:46:35 PM Also soviet I see you doing well on crypto mtts alot of the time. If they are your forte why not try mass playing the £2ers? THere's on like every 15 min? Gotta be some sick value in those! amazin value in the £2 MTTs on crypto, theyre so sick easy. usually always £70+ for winner and most of them are donks who pay u off no matter your hand, sit tight play 1 hand in 1st hour and be 4th chip leader :) then go on and win it over and over ;) Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: sovietsong on November 24, 2007, 05:06:55 PM Also soviet I see you doing well on crypto mtts alot of the time. If they are your forte why not try mass playing the £2ers? THere's on like every 15 min? Gotta be some sick value in those! amazin value in the £2 MTTs on crypto, theyre so sick easy. usually always £70+ for winner and most of them are donks who pay u off no matter your hand, sit tight play 1 hand in 1st hour and be 4th chip leader :) then go on and win it over and over ;) Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: ChipRich on November 24, 2007, 09:59:54 PM Low limit sngs and satelites are the best to start off with IMO.
I did this the other month, started off with $80, a month later i had $1.1k. Started off playing quite a few $3 sngs, 6-12 tabling at times, whilst playing the odd MTT and Sat. Then when upto $600-700 played the $6 sngs for a while, then started playing MTTs mainly doing quite well, close to big scores quite a few times, but ran bad or whatever you wana call it at the vital times. It got very boring and sometimes just couldn't be bothered as the low limit sngs are really depressing but just gotta stick with it Gl with whatever you do Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: snoopy1239 on November 24, 2007, 10:48:06 PM I'm not looking for advice just wanted to know what 'You' would do. The only limiting factor is you cant deposit more. I'd play $5 turbo STTs. Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: Jonboy on November 24, 2007, 11:38:45 PM Never understood this sort of question, especially given the op. SS ... you are a regular poster, have a blog, contribute to hand analysis, and seem competent at the lower levels. 4-table $25 NL, take slightly feweer risks/marginal situations ... and the chances of losing 8 Buy-ins are (in my opinion for a competent player) less than 10%. Then when you get to $1k ... play more $25 NL. When you get to $2k you can move up/play MTT or take shots at higher levels with any money over $2k. Quick calc ... @ 10BB/100 = 120hrs to reach $2k ... 60hrs a month around work and you are there by the end of Jan. In reality if you get rakeback/bonuses you will be there sooner. Good Luck Jon. Title: Re: Starting again... Post by: sovietsong on November 25, 2007, 01:49:10 PM Thank you for the post mate, i am a competent player however have had a really bad time of late, infact its about 4 months now. If i was to sit with another player and tell them how to play in certain situations the player would do v.well. The problem i face is i tilt v.easily, i can play for too long and end up playing my b and c game which can end up in a losing session. Add this to the fact that i have plenty of debt which is very hard to service even through my employment i have had losing month after losing month.
The majority of my 'winning months' came from MTT's and although i harp on about it alot it was on Tribecca and i havent adjusted well to other sites, its pathetic i know to blame a site closing but i was so comfortable with the games there that i didnt concentrate on improving particular parts of my game. I play on Full tilt at the moment and my bankroll mangement is shocking. When i'm winning i quit too soon as my confidence is low when im losing i play too long 'chasing' losses. I'm unsure of where to go with poker at the moment as every time i seem to be turning things around i get slapped back down. I have spoken to a few poker friends and prob think the best thing to do is take some time off and come back in the new year fresh. Then again everytime i have tried to 'take time out' i end up coming back too early and do another micro roll in. Feeling pretty shitty at the moment again something that doesnt really inspire good poker play. Thank you to every1 for the responces i am considering play very very low limit to pass time rather than to make money until i get my drive for the game back. We shall see i will prob be on here again with some hair brain 'challenge'. |