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Title: DTD 1st hand of the final table
Post by: Longy on December 07, 2007, 04:36:25 AM
50+5 f/o 119 runners well structured event.

Blinds 1500/3000/300 ante, 9 handed

Important stacks: UTG+1 50000 approx
                         SB (me) 37700
                         BB      36000

UTG+1 limps
Folded round to me in sb  Tc 9h I complete
BB checks

Flop (11700):  Jh Ts 8d

I lead out for 7000.
BB pretty quickly announces all in
UTG +1 folds.

Reads were none on utg as he had been on another table all night. BB i have played with for the last few hours, likes to min raise from late position regularly and make small post flop bets, hasn't shown a hand almost all night apart from aj vs 1010 bvb battle.

My image is pretty tight aggressive (Tikay may be able to comment on my image as we shared a table for a while) and i have been open shoving with reasonable regularity to keep my stack around 10bb's.

So 1) Pre flop completing good or bad?

     2) Lead this flop or something else?

     3) Call this shove, its 26k back to me?

I dwelt for at least 2 minutes about the third decision, this is unusual for me and still couldn't come to a clear decision.





Title: Re: DTD 1st hand of the final table
Post by: Ironside on December 07, 2007, 05:06:20 AM
personally i wouldnt complete in sb with any hand with the blinds so big

as you hadnt any info on the limp i would just fold

once the bb has move in you have to fold you could be drawing for a split pot

you could be in alot of trouble

you may well be ahead but obviously hard to tell as you let the bb in for free


Title: Re: DTD 1st hand of the final table
Post by: LuckyLloyd on December 07, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
25700 in the middle. 26000 to go in in order to call the shove. 2 : 1.

CALL.


Title: Re: DTD 1st hand of the final table
Post by: boldie on December 08, 2007, 11:05:00 AM
First question you should have asked yourself is "what do I do when I get re-raised here IF I lead out" if the answer at any stage was "Fold" you shouldn't have lead out in the first place.

Call.


Title: Re: DTD 1st hand of the final table
Post by: AlexMartin on December 08, 2007, 11:44:22 PM
Before leading out you should have assessed your action if this situation were to arise. As played, you cannot fold here with your stack and in this spot.


Title: Re: DTD 1st hand of the final table
Post by: Longy on December 09, 2007, 06:07:26 AM
In retrospect i think i made abit of a hash of this hand, for whatever reason i don't think as clearly when playing live even though i get more time for decision than on the internet.

I personally think i should have chucked this preflop, I mean I always say stop limping when short(ish) and completing from the sb is often not the best idea, yet i have ignore both of these here.

As for the flop play i think check raising all in looks alot better here with the stacks and my hand. Increasing my fold equity and having a hand that doesn't mind seeing a free card or getting it in here now.

The decision when it got back to me, actually might be my best decision despite not being sure at the time, lol. After long dwell i reluctantly called, i went through all his possible holdings and decided that on average i probably had enough outs.

Poker stove seems to back this anyone disagree with this range, I even added in jj, 1010 which i really think villan raises preflop. Put in no random 9's or bluffs.

 101,970  games     0.005 secs    20,394,000  games/sec

Board: Jc Td 8s
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    35.107%     25.87%    09.24%             26380         9419.00   { Tc9h }
Hand 1:    64.893%     55.66%    09.24%             56752         9419.00   { JJ-88, KJs, QJs, Q9s, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, KJo, QJo, Q9o, J8o+, T8o+, 97o+ }

So 35% is enough to justify a call.

So what did villan show, well he showed  Td 9s for the same hand and we chopped it up.

Most others at the table said they would have folded my hand when it got back to me.



Title: Re: DTD 1st hand of the final table
Post by: AlexMartin on December 09, 2007, 03:45:22 PM
In retrospect i think i made abit of a hash of this hand, for whatever reason i don't think as clearly when playing live even though i get more time for decision than on the internet.

I personally think i should have chucked this preflop, I mean I always say stop limping when short(ish) and completing from the sb is often not the best idea, yet i have ignore both of these here.

As for the flop play i think check raising all in looks alot better here with the stacks and my hand. Increasing my fold equity and having a hand that doesn't mind seeing a free card or getting it in here now.

The decision when it got back to me, actually might be my best decision despite not being sure at the time, lol. After long dwell i reluctantly called, i went through all his possible holdings and decided that on average i probably had enough outs.

Poker stove seems to back this anyone disagree with this range, I even added in jj, 1010 which i really think villan raises preflop. Put in no random 9's or bluffs.

 101,970  games     0.005 secs    20,394,000  games/sec

Board: Jc Td 8s
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    35.107%     25.87%    09.24%             26380         9419.00   { Tc9h }
Hand 1:    64.893%     55.66%    09.24%             56752         9419.00   { JJ-88, KJs, QJs, Q9s, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, KJo, QJo, Q9o, J8o+, T8o+, 97o+ }

So 35% is enough to justify a call.

So what did villan show, well he showed  Td 9s for the same hand and we chopped it up.

Most others at the table said they would have folded my hand when it got back to me.



lol. I hope you apologised profusely for your donkish call.