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$2-4 NL FR

MP $500 raises to $8 min raises with a wide range, Active post flop
CO $350 calls the $8 calling station

Hero Button $320 calls with Ahrt 9h, nitt-ish lol

blinds, $250 and $450 complete..bb is LAG

$40 in pot

Flop  2h 4h 6s

bb leads for $12

MP makes it $58

CO folds

standard line here is?

Serves you right for limping pre-flop instead of raising....you got (most of) the flop you wanted and, as far as I can see, still don't know where you are.

It's either fold or a raise for me!

If his range is as wide as you seem to indicate he could be on anything. Depends on your read of the villain...would he pot raise with a draw?

I'm scared money at these levels, but I'd be tempted to pop him here but, in truth, I'm more likely to give up on it.

It was min raised before me pre-flop

you'd have re-raised and committed more with a marginal hand? or tired to hit a flop in position?

yay Tighty!..beautifull...a BB who is LAG MP re-raises and you with the FD..I want as many in as possible..so a flatcall for me thanks :)

Flushy or Lloyd about? ;popcorn;

oh, and wonder of wonders FOLD never entered my thinking!!

Note to self..Read More Carefully...(or get new glasses).

Rich...you are right, of course.

I can't see the BB flat calling in that situation, and I think you make the hand difficult to play when you miss...

I ship it in.

I think you need a very good read on the bb to do anything but fold here. It's complicated slightly by your description of the two players involved, but I think there's a fairly big danger that the BB, if he's any good, has led with a set here, and that by flat calling you won't get to see the turn as he'll reraise. If he shoves and the MP calls with, say, an overpair, then it's quite likely that even in a 3-way pot you still don't have odds to call.

If BB calls and you hit on the turn then you might still not get any action as it's probably pretty obvious what you have, and obviously no-one has the Ah as backup. If you miss then the chances of you getting to see the river for cheap seem slim. If you hit your A you could find yourself in a tricky and expensive spot.

If you've seen BB make this sort of weak lead into several players with not much then I guess you can shove and hope to take it down or take your chances against MP. But if you're really just guessing what BB has then it's a fold for me.

(Seems to me it's not really true that you have position here, as you can't close the betting and therefore have little control over the size of the pot.)

Erm...has everyone forgotten the SB too!

That flop seems made for a SB/BB Special

ALL - IN.

- Play 100BBs;
- Raising to like 32 - 40 should be a genuine option preflop;

a) I do, I'd just lost a hand before and not reloaded

b) 6 max yes, FR not sure

He knows exactly where he is, he is on the button with the nfd, if he had 'raised for information' earlier he would still be in the same situation. Hits heart, wins.

folding is much better then calling on the flop, anyone calling here should be shot. Given the nature of online full ring games, re-raising here preflop is most probably setting money on fire. I'd send it in coz its omg flushdraw, and u can probably get overpairs to fold.

do you raise (say min raise) to try to get it multi way or ship it all in?

Oops, I missed it being full ring.

I think a minraise is horrible myself.

What network is this on Tighty?

Generally I think I'd be flat calling but by doing so I think this is going to invite the BB to RR.  Ah feck it lets just pop it right now ALL-IN! :)
Lets get ready to reload when we miss our draw.

its on Ipoker

I'd do all i can to represent a set, so whatever u do with a set in this spot, do that here.

As it happens I shipped it in

bb and sb fold

You are MP with  Kc Ks

call or fold?

Hero is 18/12ish that session from memory

Other than call...

what clown calls with a set here

Surely you want them to fold, not get involved multi-way. In any case it's unlikely it would be multi-way, unless BB and MP are both terrible (or in the unlikely event that they've both got a set). I'm in a better mood than I was half an hour ago, with the BB a loose but relatively unknown player I think I'd shove, but I don't think there's much wrong with folding.

I am passing the Kings here, wow!  not often I'd go with that line I think its an easy assumption to make that your on the nut draw and if he puts you on that then he has 12 cards to avoid to take down the pot, he may also have to think that with the texture of that flop its not impossible that you have hit a set and you want to try and force the draws out.

Kings are fave over the NFD though

you'd put a push here on NFD or a set?

Kings arent that great a favourite, Its not far off 50/50.  I certainly think on iPoker the push is deffo always a draw of some sort, based on the hands I play on there that seems to be the case more often than not. 

On that board I font think that a push with a set is the worse move, especially not if your putting the MP on a highet PP JJ + I think he is going to call the push once he has bet out.

its not beyond the realms of possibility that SB has come in with a suited 3 5 is it?  And he opens the betting to gather a bit of interest? 

I'm assuming though that after the push its folded round to MP with the KK.  And if he is the Calling Station you pointed him out to be he's not passing KK here in anycase. 

as played easy fold.

Pre-flop is fine of course.

I would usually represent a set and raise enough on the flop to show I am committed to the pot. (Shoving it all in may look too much like a FD.)

MP's actions indicate that he has an overpair (as we now know) so we are likely not too far off 50/50 if we are called. Obviously BB could have hit a set but I think the aggression is worth the risk.

However, the other problem is that although a decent player will often fold KK (and lesser over pairs) in this spot (giving you a large amount of fold equity), most poor players won't- and the fact that he min-raised pre-flop indicates that he is a poor player. Against these type of players (who offer no FE) a more passive approach is often a better play to make. (Although saying that, I don't like calling in this example- but it is worth considering in other situations.)

If I was MP with the kings then my flop action (facing a raise) would be player dependent but at FR at these stakes, folding is the best choice long-term.

Calling here is just not an option imo, as you have to fold most turns. If you hit the heart it may well kill the action and you won't get paid.

Folding is a bit nitty but meh i think its an option if you have a read that either these players is likely to have a monster here and you fold equity is virtually nothing.

My preferrred option is shove the lot. Our hand has the most equity on the flop, we should have a great deal of fold equity and make the nuts by the river at least 25-30% of the time (assuming our opponents fill up when he hit occasionally). Also an ace is likely to be an out against an overpair.

It also is a nice mix up for your image showing that you are prepared to make plays with strong draws and not nit it out waiting for the stone cold lock before putting your stack in.

I fold kk against a player with your image here Tighty, which is why shoving is so +EV here.

I'd shove your hand and get ready to reload, not minding to get called by KK because I have 12 outs.

I'd call your shove with KK and get ready to reload, not minding that I am never locked up because people generally overshove big combo draws or the nutflush draw here.

Hand is standard IMO. Well played.

Obv KK called here, hence I know what he had

As it happened I turned Aspades, and doubled up plus a bit

I fold KK there, in those types of spots, a lot which is why the last few posts (Smart, Longy, Lloyd) etc make a lot of sense to me about the concept of fold equity against different sorts of players

wow..I can't believe people replied to my "flat call" option and said "Don't think the BB flatcalls here ..he will most definetly ship them in"..what do you think I was hoping for when I said flatcall? I want all 2 oppo's chippies in the middle which is why I am not betting with the FD but flatcalling with it.

KK hand is a very easy call to the shove as well for me.

with respect, you'll stack off a lot with overpairs in these spots in FR

You'll find sets, two pairs as well as the flush draws

Its opponent specific

I'd have to be pretty sure about oppo to fold KK here..but I can see that fold (I would hardly ever make it..but that's one of the reasons I don't play HE FR cash anymore)

Erm...has everyone forgotten the SB too!
That flop seems made for a SB/BB Special

It's about a 4% chance that he's flopped two pair or a straight (if he completes every hand.) Given that he may well fold 53o, 42o etc it's possibly closer to 2%, and given that he checked the flop too it's probably even less.

And on the rare occasions where he does call your shove with 2 pair/straight, he'll be increasing your equity in the pot anyway if the MP raiser calls with an overpair or set.