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I've twice heard the story reported about the two guys in court for stabbing someone in Dewsbury and both contained my pet hate.

"An 18 year old man and 17 year old youth stabbed and killed a 17 year old boy"

and

"Two men in court accused of stabbing a teenager..."

The three guys were effectively the same age but the victims are always boys or teenagers and assailants are always youths or men. Drives me screwy. It's like we need some help in figuring out who the bad guys and good guys are.

It was a sad event, group of pissed up thugs attacked an Asian person on a station and killed him :(

nasty crime indeed, but I beg to differ about the terminology. If a 16-19 year old is a victim of crime they tend to be referred to as a teenager, or even a boy. If they perpetrate a crime they tend to be a youth or if the crime is serious enough a man.

it's the same with adoption - when they are reporting about an incident  - they refer to them as Tom Sawyer, the adopted son of Eric sawyer etc etc

What has the fact they are adopted got to do with anything?

Very slanted reporting imho.

Also terrible when they prefix the perpetrator  of a crime by their colour or nationality - the black youth, white youth, Asian youth, Polish man, etc., when it has no bearing on the story.

Particularly prominent in the daily mail.

Yep instead of a group of lads attacking someone the labels were placed on everyone at the scene.


On a side not i was shocked to see the Mail has so many readers, 2nd most popular paper in the country behind the S** if i remember correctly.

Don't get me started on the Daily Mail.

Many many many people in this country share the views expressed by thew Mail

Instead of blaming this section of the media for this reporting we should instead be looking at the wider cultural and social issues that mean these views are so mainstream

agreed

another thing that always strikes me as odd is, say a bomb goes off, its "100 people were killed including 40 women and children." Is that saying there's a difference between the loss of life between those three distinct groups?

I don't actually think they're allowed to do this any more - the race is not supposed to be mentioned unless it has a direct bearing (like in a police description identifying a suspect).

In fact, you can see this very prominently in the descriptions of the news stories concerning the 25 teenagers who have been stabbed or shot in London this year. From reading the reports, you would think the murders have been equally affecting a cross-section of London teenagers, from all backgrounds. It's only when if you recognise the implied meaning of the phrase 'Officers from the Met Police's Operation Trident are investigating' at the end of the story that you realise that, in the majority of cases (at least 20 of the 25) only one particular community is affected.

The daily mail is mellowing in its old age

"Support for Nazism and Fascism

In early 1934 Rothermere and the Mail were sympathetic to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists. Rothermere wrote an article, "Hurrah for the Blackshirts", in January 1934, in which he praised Mosley for his "sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine", though after the violence of the 1934 Olympia meeting involving the BUF, the Mail withdrew its support for Mosley.

Rothermere was a friend and supporter of both Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, which influenced the Mail's political stance towards them up to 1939. During this period it was the only British newspaper consistently to support the German Nazi Party.[2][3] Rothermere visited and corresponded with Hitler on many occasions. On 1 October 1938, Rothermere sent Hitler a telegram in support of Germany's invasion of the Sudetenland, and expressing the hope that 'Adolf the Great' would become a popular figure in Britain.

In 1937, the Mail's chief war correspondent, George Ward Price, to whom Mussolini once personally wrote in support of him and the newspaper, published a book, I Know These Dictators, in defence of Hitler and Mussolini.

Rothermere and the Mail supported Neville Chamberlain's policy of appeasement, particularly during the events leading up to the Munich Agreement. However, after the Nazi invasion of Prague in 1939, the Mail changed position and urged Chamberlain to prepare for war, not least, perhaps, because on account of its stance it had been threatened with closure by the British Government.[citation needed]

The paper continued to be referred to on occasion by critics as the Daily Heil, referring to its conservative stance and its past support for Mosley."

Please source this article, thank you

It's copied from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail

the full monty then, to give the context

This is a great point and is getting more and more widespread in all forms of journalism. The problem is that news is a 24 hour business now so anything that TV stations or printed press can get a headline from is turned into a story. The one thing that disgusts me more than anything is the constant 3 times a week'sensational new twist' 'shocking new evidence'  etc etc in the Madelaine McCann case.

About 2 months ago almost every red top led with the front page'Madelaine pic sensation' which was quite simply a blonde haired girl being carried by her mother in Morocco, the papers blew this out of all proportion until 2 days later when it was proven that the girl was in fact wait for it... a blonde haired girl being carried by her mother in Morocco. With absolutely no shame they then had 2 days of 'Madelaine hopes dashed' and 'Parents hopes dashed' when in fact nothing at all relevent to the case had happened but they had managed to turn a no news piece into 4 days of 'sensational' front page headlines.

It isn't just news that is going down the pan either, sports news channels are now inventing 'events' and 'stories' to fill time and sell events. Think 'Grand Slam Sunday'  what an embarrassment that was, after 5 Min's of constant grand slam references they showed a 'Grand Slam' league as if that was actually a real league when it is simply a marketing phrase that they have invented to get bigger headlines for 2 football matches. I turned over and watched it in Spanish just to avoid the whole ridiculous Sky coverage.

Insurgents , Militants and Collateral Damage.

...IELDER SIGNS NEW CONTRACT. SKY SPORTS NEWS BREAKING NEWS: MANSFIELD MIDF...

From the Sun?
This is the problem, is any of that statement actually true?
Seems not.

spot on mate, my [personal fav wa ***breaking news**** Richard Wright released by Everton ***Breaking news*****.....so a guy that hadnt played for ages and didnt have a contract was released by a club that didnt want him....***Breaking news****

I used to work for the Sun as the financial adviser for the readers and I saw many stories concocted out of thin air but with just enough substance to pass the lawyers. Nothing financial was ever concoted but they wanted me to secret shop a building society and ask very loaded questions to get very innocent answers back to write a ridiculous hyped up story.

I saw one male model being miked up to go to a party where one of the spice girls was, to try and chat to her and if the chance arose get her into a compromising position.

It beggars belief.

Mail readers = racists?

Therefore

Times readers = People who wear Bowler hats
Telegraph readers = People who aspire to wear a Bowler hat
Independent readers = tree hugging eco bores
Guardian readers = Communists and/or one legged black lesbian diversity outreach co-ordinators who found their dream job in the papers employment section
Mirror readers = Coal miners
Sun readers = Phwoar! look at the tits on that
Star readers = see above
Sport readers = = see above + extras

My all time favourite was when the Daily Mirror ran a 'Best newspaper Comp' and asked its readers to vote for the best UK newspaper. Amazingly they then printed the results in a fanfare fashion and claimed that the overwhelming winner was The Daily Mirror with 57% of the vote a whopping 30% more than its nearest rival, cue 2 days of 'Greatest newspaper' headlines and top 20 greatest Mirror scoops. What they didnt realise until The Sun printed it the day after is that according to the Mirror figures just under half of its own readers that had voted(43%) had actually voted for another newspaper.  :D

Sky News ran a "Breaking News" Banner recently which said......

"The meeting at 10, Downing Street, is still going on"........

I have tried, for months, to "bite my tongue" on the incredible media manipulation in the very sad case of the McCann's daughter. But Bobby is so right, never has Media manipulation & hype been so savagely & mercilessly exploited as in this case.

The McCann's fearure on the front page of the Red Tops & the incredibly bland Daily Mail at least 4 times a week - & yet never once it is "news", it's all total tosh & speculation.

"The detective hired by the McCann's knows who abducted the little girl & will be named with 3 days" is routine, that one surfaces every fortnight. There is not a shred of substance to that tale.

The McCanns only rarely give Interviews or direct quotes. Instead, the media is fed titbits (or just makes them up) by "a close family friend", "their advisers", "a relative of the McCanns", "their PR advisers", & so on & so forth. The Portugese Police do the same, of course. "A source close the the investigation said".......

Do the Media really think we are that dumb? (Rhetorical).

Trying to find genuine "news" is not easy these days. Very few Newspapers do it (The Times & The Daily Telegraph are the least worst, but even they are at it now), & I believe that most Newspapers will soon become extinct, victims of their own stupidity, & their naivety in not realising that their time has passed. I don't include Red-Tops under the description of "Newspapers", they are simply vehicles for carrying advertisements.

google, with free unbiased educational tools, maps, "earth", images, & in particular, their ingenious advertising ploys which will obliterate traditional advertising mediums within 5 years, will soon rule the world.

Tikay, as soon as newspapers putting Madeline McCann on the front page decreases sales, they'll stop doing it.

Sadly, you are not wrong. So it's not "news" at all, it's "revenue positive".

If a Newspaper were ever to be published that simply gave pure news, I'd subscribe for life, & read it cover to cover every day.

Subscribe to "the Week"


its as close as you will get

http://info.theweek.co.uk/?bbcam=adwds&bbkid=the+week&x=&jtid=265664&client_code=

Thanks Rich. The Economist is pretty good, too.

I had to laugh this morning, one of the headlines on the BBC website was 'Millions celebrate Christmas'....no shit Sherlock!!

if youve ever seen the sky.fox news interviews with galloway you will see loads of bias as all the right wing billionaire owners of media channels can effectively decide what is said. Try the Galloway savages sky news and, galloway v norm coleman, and bill o'reilly