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MTT 25 left blinds 500/1000
Table short stack has 8000 and raises to 3000 one off the button
button and SB both pass.
BB has 25000 (about average) and has  Kc 5d
what should he do?

How can he raise to 3k when the the blinds are 1k/2k?

if the blinds are 1/2k the button can't raise to 3k they have to raise to a miniumium of 4k

lol adam wasnt  this your exit hand in the tourney. i fold. unlucky mate

duely corrected

yes is is but it's more out of curiousity. I'd put K5 down there but I'm wondering if I'm too tight. I tried to alter the ammounts so it didnt look like a critisism of the hand that took me out cos thats not how it is intended.

Surely it would depend on the image of the person in question?

I'd be tempted to call and fire out 5k if i thought they'd missed the flop.

adam as it was a winner takes all comp i think it was a must reraise and make the short stack play for all his chips

but as a short stack i would have gone all in there

short stack has only just arrived at the table but is a well known rock (and obviously with hindsight wishes he's moved the lot in pre flop)

that would have been a better move

i would have moved in there as shorty with as little as 8 high

I'd fold, why would a short stack bet almost half his chips if he didn't have a monster AA or KK? QQ, AK or lower and he'll move in preflop.

What happened? Did he call, hit two pair and put you in?

Very much depends on the style of the raiser.

If he's been doing it all night, then maybe you should make a stand and play back at him.

If it's his first raise since the comp started, then fold.

In general, I'd just fold. Even if you have managed to catch him at it, he can still easily outdraw a hand like K5.

if you turned up on time you would of found out :D

was Adam late to the dance?

I pass, not a hard hand to play.

yeah, but you're a rock...

true.

It's a clear pass against a short stack making that sort of raise. If I was the short stack and had AA or KK I'd be happy to make a small raise like that to encourage calls from hands like K5!

How much is 1677 x 50p ?

The bb patrolman  /:-|

One months rent for a 3 bed semi in North Leeds.

Adam, I assume you are shortstack with a monster in the Rob Yong sat?


who was the bb who called and what did he hit?  :D

yes I was the shorts stack, I had AK. should have just bet the whole lot but I suppose if I'm honest he made the loose call I want here. flop was something like 5 6 10 he checked I bet the rest he called. no A came

the hand that did the damage
blinds 50/100
early position limp.
I raise to 400 from late with  Qc Qh
limper calls
flop is  Qs 4c 7c
limper moves in for about 2/3 my stack
I cant pass that can I?
he had  Ac 6c
flush came.

no, he could just as easily have had the bare  Ac

fold all day long.
you dont want to lose 8k at this stage or double up a short stack (don't feed the pigeons!) especially on a K-5 and he probably wont pass to a re-raise anyway as he knows the big stack will put pressure back on with any hand and he may figure that he has odds and value to call - and if its a £20er at Notts then your oppo almost certainly wouldn't fold to a re-raise anyway (its just not possible to get anyone to fold in Notts)

easy fold IMO

hello Junior. try and keep up though, I was the shorts stack, not the K5

woops! - sorry.

you SHOULD have moved all in with your AK.

What's the joke here? You have posted it before and i didn't get it then.

fold pretty much for the reasons junior gave. i also like giving a bit of rope to a short stack, let him think he can steal your blinds and then move him in when he tries it again. I can see why the K5 called tho as he's getting 7/2 for his call.

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No you can't pass top set Adam, I put you on JJ or 1010 and just got lucky when you didn't fold.

It was a winner takes all, I felt I had to pick up that pot after having four good starting hands completely miss the flop with the result that I'd folded 40 per cent of my starting stack. Possibly I should have called valvster with a pair of sixes on the flop after he moved in with what I felt was probably something like AJ but at that stage I hadn't formed a strong view of his play (had 69o in BB, flop 642n rainbow, preflop he had raised 3x in mid-position and there was at least one caller b4 me)

It does make me laugh that it was A6c tho' - what goes around comes around  :D

I dont like your opponents play at all Adam. If he was to call then surely he must "stop and go" with that flop? Move you off it there and then.

that'd be fair enough
then If I call with a missed AK it's not a beat, it's my mistake.

does that make much difference? I know it gives you 3 Aces as outs but you moved so quick I dont believe you thought of that

Must move in here with AK you encourage action pretty standard play I think at this stage of tourney.
I don't see much wrong with the K5 play as he knows he can only lose 1/3rd of his stack.
I don't consider this an auto fold and might even set you in especially in a winner take all tourney.
Don't understand why he checked it though he should've put you all in on that flop.
If you have 25k with AK then getting involved with K5o is asking for trouble but you only have 8k if he does double you up he still has 17 big blinds and an 'M' of 11 which is playable.
I think there is a case for all 3 options I'd probably place equal weighting on all 3 can't be seen as a target in the bb.

Yes. You believe what you choose to mate.

Well, this is the reason why I appreciate this place so much.

Sometimes you need a few different viewpoints to be able to draw your own conclusions from the hand.

It's fantastic that Adam can post this poser on the forum and, in turn, receive so many replies.


Personally, I'd fold, but that's just me. Every1 has a different style and table image that they wish to project. Sometimes playing a hand like this lets people know that you're prepared to defend those blinds if you believe someone is stealing.

I'll sort out another home game soon Diva, we can have an A,6 decider.

An interesting post. I wouldn't opt for the reraise in this spot as I think it'd be very optimistic to expect a lay down here from the raiser. I agree with the bit about putting him all in on the flop though. You wont see many better flops for a K5 when it has been raised.

Personally I would fold the K5. With that flop though I'd probably dump it in and pray.

good man Adam  ;D  :)up

Just need a chance to crack Phil_and's aces with 56o now :D

BTW, I think the K5o is a poor call with an average stack. I put you on aj at or suited ace there, but not ak, so I'd  possibly decide to take the chance you feel you can fold if i move in else gamble at 40 per cent for all your chips or, more likely, pass.

If I'm roughly 150 per cent av. if I lose for all ur chips then I put you all in every time.

Don't get me wrong I would prob say fold normally as playing out of position with a hand like K5 is not ideal but this is a crucial period of the game and 1 strong play might make the other players stay out of your way, suddenly that A-5s doesn't look so playable when you are 1 off the button vs the 'maniac' in the bb. Sometimes technically 'bad' plays can work wonders for your image and will keep people guessing. Just making a case for the other options and I am by no means an expert.

JP