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GAME #770000031: Texas Hold'em NL $2.00/$4.00 2007-12-23 04:50:05
Table Sharptown
Seat 1: Ubiyca ($1,115.60 in chips)
Seat 3: JUDOREF ($336.94 in chips)
Seat 5: Shipitty ($398.90 in chips)
Seat 6: nikinblinds ($410.90 in chips) DEALER
Seat 8: FatFish2 ($417.20 in chips)
FatFish2: Post SB $2.00
Ubiyca: Post BB $4.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nikinblinds [HJ SJ Jh Js]
Dealt to Ubiyca [ill tell ya later]
JUDOREF: Fold
Shipitty: Fold
nikinblinds: Raise $14.00
FatFish2: Fold
Ubiyca: Call $10.00
*** FLOP *** [S4 DK D7  4s Kd 7d]
Ubiyca: Check
nikinblinds: Bet $22.00
Ubiyca: Raise $65.00
nikinblinds: Raise $128.00
Ubiyca: Raise $1,036.60
nikinblinds: Allin $246.90
*** TURN *** [H8 8h 7h]
*** RIVER *** [H7]
*** SUMMARY ***

Bad call/Good call. Image is nuts, im running @ 27/14/4 and have been loco. Villain is nutcase reg who is very good and makes lots and lots over small sample.

I would pass to the 4bet Alex but this is weakness of mine that im never sure how my image is affecting the play of rest of the table back at me and how to adapt accordingly.

By loco do you mean you have 3 betting flops with air and having to show the rubbish your making moves with.Or you are getting away with it but are just very active.

27/14/4 in itself i wouldn't consider loco, my pfr is as big and aggression factor is as big as that when im playing tighter than usual.

My line here would be to flat the raise over the cbet and let him hang himself if you thinking he is making moves on you, by shoving a safe turn. This looks stronger than 4betting the flop, increasing our fold equity and gains an extra bet on the turn. It also gets us to make the last bet all in and not blow us off our hand.

A general point is that i stay away from these high varience pots with tricky regulars, I really feel that you are getting in spots that aren't too profitable but increasing your varience. Concentrate on the fish at these levels, you only need to let the regs know you won't be bullied a couple of times and generally they will return the favour.

Great post, listen to him Alex.

You do not seem to be able to cope with the variance your style creates, so small changes here and there can easily reduce this. Alot of your recent HA posts show you all in on the flop in marginal situations - something you need to work on?

i dont really agree with longy or m3 b/c any edge is good, but i dont think u played this well. ur image might induce more play, but with no draws out i can only think that he is stacking off with a weak king. if u really want to play JJ to the river flat call after the rr and check call is more profitable on later streets as it sucks him into bluffing more often.

Diamonds?  65? 4dx?



I suppose this hand comes down to whether the villain would have just called pre with a King that he's prepared to stack off wth.  If he is sticking everything in with KTo then surely we can find a better situation than this?  Otherwise a draw is the more likely hand and possibly playing so aggresively on this assumption might have benefits against regular opponents.  i.e. picking the right spot to give the impression that you aren't a nut peddler. 

If im correct you play reasonably high stakes and therefore your tables are mainly made up of semi-comptent players, therefore have to squeeze out your edge but outplaying the regs as well as taking money off the occasional whale.

Alex is trying to grind out a living at relatively small stakes (im in a similar position). From a point of view of our bottom line every month as well as our state of mind. Grinding a steady profit is preferable to me than trying to squeeze every last drop of equity, playing back at regs who we are going to be pretty 0EV against long term. There are plenty of fish that we have a significant edge on, therefore table selecting getting into pots deep against weaker players is more of a priority for me.

I did think of taking this line v him but felt that 1/2 the pack scares the living shite out of me.


Cheers for the advice guys. I know how to play nit poker too btw, but have chosen to open up lately specifically after reading a dirt load of 2+2 strat. Metagame has obv improved payout with big hands but i still struggle with marginal spots when im getting good odds.

This hand was interesting because i enjoyed my analysis (results orientated obv but still heh) I did take my time and figured villain 3bets 77/KK pre. RR pre w AK/KQ. Leads into me w 44. Doesnt play 47 k7. Does make this move with 56/pair + flush draw/NF Draw/KJ/K10 (havent seen player cold call with these holdings before).

So basically i reckoned i was good enough v that range to jimjam.

OOPS i though k was heart, my evaluation is different then. check calling is harder, just erase my last post from memory

I haven't decided yet, but you seem to like the min reraise alot? Is there a reason behind this? I find when I use it myself I just get utterly paranoid when people then come over the top of it and it affects my judgement.

This hand would be much better if you didn't post results. It sort of seems a bit of a brag post.
My general line would to be call raise if I thought he was at it and see what happens but clearly a lot of metagame going on so a lot depends on that

In fairness m8 i left it up for 3 days b4 posting results, after that i decided to brag.  :)

What was the result? Other than Alex displayed extreme flair

Just realised WTF cooker3? You must be going mad as i havent posted results i dont think. You even convinced me i had. As it happens he had Ad5d and missed.

at least i came 2nd in the worst misread for the thread  8)

What is your c - bet frequency? I think this is a good flop to check behind. 27 / 14 / 4 isn't THAT crazy.

Cbet frequency high, prolly 80% odd. 27/14/4 is over 200k but i guess villain doesnt have that many and its prolly skewed a lot higher for the limited sample he has on me. Interested to know why you check behind on this board? I did want to protect my hand but is there a better alternative?

Well, it's just that I think if we get heaps of money in here the bottom of his range for getting it in is going to be a flushdraw (and often with the A or Q of diamonds which makes it a virtual flip). If you are playing aggressively he is just going to be less likely to make a tough fold of the toppest pair on this board. So, we might think lets protect our hand from draws but, meh - he's not folding any of those draws anyway.

This board is quite bad for him to make a move with complete air if you check - raise him. Just because it is a bad texture for you to make big folds on. So, assuming he is a reg, he will probably have a huge range of hands that he defended preflop with that just check - fold for one bet here. However, if you check behind, you probably can get it in so much better and extract a lot of value on the turn when he decides to check - call one pair or Ace - high hands you beat as bluff catchers.

He'll also lead at a lot of draw completing turns when he doesn't actually have the draw and you can catch a ton of bluffs by just calling a barrell or two in position.

Assuming we are properly rolled I much prefer thinking about things from a perspective of value rather then hand protection. Ya sure, we may see an Ace or a diamond peel on the turn and get some money in bad - but we can also see those cards peel off and catch some bluffed money. Overall, I think there has to be higher EV from getting money in on the turn than the flop.

WRT to this hand specifically, i would guess that over a large sample playing this hand more sensitively in the way you describe would make more money. But checking after i took the lead preflop just isnt in my game. I always like to give my opponents what they expect.
I guess this comes down to a style choice and what you are personally happy with. I like betting if i was leading pre, almost regardless of my hand but with some regard to board texture. Multitabling im not happy to put myself in tricky situations where im making judgement calls and effectively calling down bluffs and calling relatively thin, the situations you describe above. Your post reminds me a lot of the MSNL posts on 2+2 and is definitely a more flexible strategy, i guess betting just fits my metagame tighter. cheers for response and analysis.