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2-4 NL full ring

You UTG with $425 and 7h 7s, limping/set hitting

button $550 24/12  raises to $12

you call behind

Heads up to the flop

$30 in

 7d Td 2s

you bet $15, weak lead

he makes it $45, as hoped


what is your standard line and why?

Call and check raise the turn, gets more money in if he is bluffing, gets him more committed to the hand with an overpair.

I think I call then check raise the turn unless we hit a FH.  I'm not a fan on giving draws in situations like this and would like to take the post reasonably quickly.

Damn, Flushy posted the same!  Perhaps I'm finally on the right road to somewhere :D

ship it all in and make him pay for his flush draw.

you are giving a draw to hearts by flat calling here, no 3 bet of the flop?

(ps no bad beat alert!!, no heart on the turn!!)

BEt big showing utter commitment, possibly overbet pot. Too many scare cards on turn shut down action on turn, eg he has QQ and AK/diamond rolls off. You bet and keep betting and hope he cant fold. If villain knows you well obv mix up your lines with craises, flat calling but i got for the bet bet bet option all day long.  Also why limp utg w 77 btw?

For diff reasons though......

You allude to defensive play, i am not worried about a draw in the coup, other than it killing my action.

full ring, not raising with 77 utg too often, limp and see...


and have yourself a passive nittish Xmas.............

;) Happy Xmas to you 2 Rich. Have to do dinner sometime soon @ the G. Didnt see full ring. Now that is my idea of hell.

they're diamonds aren't they? 

Good point.  I generally get concerned with draws out there, I guess I shouldn't be to worried.

I think 3 betting the flop stinks of either overpair/set and unless he has AA/KK then I think that by betting it we kill our action.  I call the raise and check raise the turn.  Would FD re-raise in this spot?  Normally I call with my draw hoping to hit it cheaply and then jam any bet on  the turn if we hit. 

I always used to get excited and ship in here..and lose my customer..or get scared about the draw out there and ship them in ..to lose my customer..took me a long time to understand what a big mistake that was. (and sometimes I still make it..but mainly in tourneys)  call and check raise the turn is by far the best play here

Play it exactly the same as you would a FD. 

I like the call here and a check raise on the turn unless the diamoind drops, if the diamoind drops I am gonna lead out, if he isnt flushing he shouldnt be raising then, so if he does raise I am pretty confident he has flushed up. What I do then depends on what price he is giving me to house up on the end.

if you had raised pre and he reraised i think we could of pushed on the flop, but as played id check raise turn.

Well then to combat that, start shipping it in here with nothing, that should sort that out
I 3b and call push obv.

I'll often call, looking to check/raise the turn against certain opponents but there are problems with this, e.g:

*3rd diamond falls and dries up the action.
*An overcard to his KK/QQ falls and dries up the action.
*A 2nd Ten falls and dries up the action.
*He may be on a FD.
*Turn gets checked through.
*A c/r on a blank turn looks more like a set than a FD.
*He gets a free card to his 2 outs (unlikely, but it happens)

Players who are loose pre-flop (and 24% VP$IP is loose for FR) are generally loose post-flop too and, therefore, the least likely to offer you much Fold Equity.

This is f*cking annoying when you bet out/get raised (as hoped)/jam the flop with, say, a pair + FD against their TPTK and fail to improve (because you're relying on them having the "ability" to fold in order to make this play the most +EV for you.)

However, it's great [that they offer no fold equity] in a situation such as this.

There isn't much need to get clever with the majority of opponents at these stakes (and treat all unknowns as poor!)- and many will see your probe bet/jam on the flop as a flush draw and call instantly (partly because fewer players than you may think actually bet out with sets at these stakes!)

you reraise because he's shown strength and may like to give you more money. Calling and allowing diamond or 6/J to fall either kills your action or completes his hand.

BTW I don't like the weak lead. Check raising is better because you're hand will look more like a draw and will often induce a shove from an overpair. A bet 3-bet with theses stack sizes would stink of a set and make it easier for over-pairs to fold.