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Title: can you find a fold here?
Post by: boldie on December 24, 2007, 11:55:34 PM
I am villain in this hand and Hero..doesn't matter..doesn't even really matter what I hold or anything

1-2$ 6 handed cash game on blonde..where Kev is still working the lever for me :)

I hold  8h Th don't know what he had. I am UTG+1 and stick 6$ in the pot. 1 caller (UTG). $15 pot

Flop  8s 9h Ts

He checks to me and I bet 10$, he check raises to 20$ (a move I hate...I thoroughly dislike min-check raisers as only poor players do this..and he is) I call.

Turn 4h

He bets 50$, I call..2 pair and a FD are rather nice and this guy is simply not ballsy enough to play a flopped straight like this.

river  9c

he bets 100$ into the pot (he has 94$ after doing so)..I think about it for a while and move in for 124$ total as I just can't see him having a straight or Full house here.....anyways..this is not about my play but I only raise 24$ more into a 360$ pot.

Now it is irrelevant what he has (I don't know) but can you EVER find a fold here? I am rather surprised as even if I was almost positive I was behind..I would want the info,


edit..bolloxed up the flop cards as there was a heart on it


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: Colchester Kev on December 24, 2007, 11:59:28 PM
the mug has JJ ... scoopage is imminent


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: Colchester Kev on December 25, 2007, 12:02:18 AM
either that or your oppo is Ironside and he has totally wankered AK as per normal


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: Ironside on December 25, 2007, 12:07:10 AM
east fold he has 77


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: celtic on December 25, 2007, 12:36:24 AM
the mug has JJ ... scoopage is imminent

if he has jj how does boldie scoop?


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: GlasgowBandit on December 25, 2007, 01:01:10 AM
Boldie wheres your FD?

Ohh and for what its worth I ain't raising with T8 suited UTG +1 I may flat call from late position but if re-raised your just throwing $6 away.

Its an easy pass on the flop when he raises two pair are vulnerable with that flop, and then on the river when your 2nd pair is countered with the 9's it makes the pass even easier.

 He has A9 suited!



Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: Colchester Kev on December 25, 2007, 01:20:19 AM
the mug has JJ ... scoopage is imminent

if he has jj how does boldie scoop?

he doesnt, its scoopage for the mug with JJ


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: celtic on December 25, 2007, 01:22:20 AM
the mug has JJ ... scoopage is imminent

if he has jj how does boldie scoop?

he doesnt, its scoopage for the mug with JJ

ok just checking :)


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: Wardonkey on December 25, 2007, 01:29:12 AM
Shove on the turn....


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: Tragic on December 25, 2007, 02:51:32 AM
Jam turn all day mate. As played I pass he can quite easily have JT QT etc. here.


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: Longy on December 25, 2007, 09:34:38 AM
Raising preflop is fine with me, I wouldn't recommend doing it every table but i like doing it with this hand occasionally. Keeps our range nice and mixed up pre.

Bet/call flop is alright but im doing this mainly to get funky on a dry turn. By coming over the top of his bet as he $50 i just shovel here.

As played I fold this river i think, though lots of missed draws are out, our hand is beat by an awful lot.

*Shoving turn is read dependent and there are some nits who will have us crushed at this point.


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: boldie on December 25, 2007, 10:11:01 AM
ok..maybe I didn't make it clear in my post. i pushed on the river..the question is.

If you are faced with calling 24$ more into a 366$ pot, do you ever fold in a cash game? My oppo folded here to my push, when calling would only have cost him 24$


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: boldie on December 25, 2007, 10:13:15 AM
Boldie wheres your FD?

Ohh and for what its worth I ain't raising with T8 suited UTG +1 I may flat call from late position but if re-raised your just throwing $6 away.

Its an easy pass on the flop when he raises two pair are vulnerable with that flop, and then on the river when your 2nd pair is countered with the 9's it makes the pass even easier.

 He has A9 suited!



On a 6 handed cash game on ipoker at the level of 1-2$ low/middle suited connectors are gold on the right table (which is most of them)..


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: Ironside on December 25, 2007, 10:16:03 AM
your oppo had 7s and thought WTF am i beating i better save $24


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: Longy on December 25, 2007, 10:32:25 AM
ok..maybe I didn't make it clear in my post. i pushed on the river..the question is.

If you are faced with calling 24$ more into a 366$ pot, do you ever fold in a cash game? My oppo folded here to my push, when calling would only have cost him 24$

Putting the extra $24 i really don't get, your hand is in affect a bluff catcher. His range is made up x% of hands that beat you and y% of bluffs, very little in between.

Therefore all the hands that beat you snap call the extra $24 but the bluffs spades, bare j or 7 are going to fold as there is no way they can be winning and might as well save $24.

If your going to call, just call, shoving has no value at all.


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: booder on December 25, 2007, 10:44:32 AM
either that or your oppo is Ironside and he has totally wankered AK as per normal

 rotflmfao


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: Royal Flush on December 25, 2007, 10:51:54 AM

Its an easy pass on the flop when he raises two pair are vulnerable with that flop



lol


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: GlasgowBandit on December 25, 2007, 03:21:06 PM

Its an easy pass on the flop when he raises two pair are vulnerable with that flop



lol

Constructive as ever.


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: AlexMartin on December 26, 2007, 10:15:42 AM
Jam turn all day mate. As played I pass he can quite easily have JT QT etc. here.

I LIKE.


Title: Re: can you find a fold here?
Post by: gatso on December 26, 2007, 01:35:40 PM

 the bluffs spades, bare j or 7 are going to fold as there is no way they can be winning and might as well save $24.


agree 100%.
the $100 river bet with any of these hands may be ill conceived into a paired board with 3 to a straight showing but as you say he's a poor player.
however should be an easy pass for $24 on the end for anyone