Title: Standard - live vs. online Post by: deputydawg on December 26, 2007, 01:38:14 PM Whenever I play live tourneys I feel the general standard of play is very weak in comparison to online, however I haven't played enough to be certain
There is a tourney at G casino Manchester tonight £250+25 f/o - What level of tourney on the internet would you reckon this would be equivalent to (I appreciate it's hard to be exact but just want the benefit of peoples experience who have played more live poker than me) Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: GreekStein on December 26, 2007, 02:11:32 PM generally speaking i would say ur right but i cant see a £250 freeze attracting a weak field to be honest. The game wont be as soft as it would be if u were playing a 20 rebuy.
Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: Royal Flush on December 26, 2007, 02:21:42 PM $30/$50 fo online would be about the same level.
Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: RED-DOG on December 26, 2007, 02:24:04 PM generally speaking i would say ur right but i cant see a £250 freeze attracting a weak field to be honest. The game wont be as soft as it would be if u were playing a 20 rebuy. You would be amazed at just how weak big buy in fields can be. Just to quote a couple of examples, during the £1000 Midland Masters, (a 10,000 chip, 1 hour clock event) I saw several all-ins during the first level with one pair hands. I even saw an all in pre, 55 v AJ. At cardiff in a £250 buy in, someone rr me all in, creating a 18k pot during the 4th level. He was holding A6 (suited) Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: M3boy on December 26, 2007, 02:50:44 PM Standard is not the word I would use.
To me it is like this : Online : Bust out of an MTT , just start another one Live : Bust out of an MTT , either play cash or home! The "fear" of busting online just isnt the same as the "fear" of busting live So what you get is more coinflips online and more laydowns live. That is my general opinion anyway. Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: Royal Flush on December 26, 2007, 02:53:54 PM generally speaking i would say ur right but i cant see a £250 freeze attracting a weak field to be honest. The game wont be as soft as it would be if u were playing a 20 rebuy. You would be amazed at just how weak big buy in fields can be. Just to quote a couple of examples, during the £1000 Midland Masters, (a 10,000 chip, 1 hour clock event) I saw several all-ins during the first level with one pair hands. I even saw an all in pre, 55 v AJ. At cardiff in a £250 buy in, someone rr me all in, creating a 18k pot during the 4th level. He was holding A6 (suited) Brighton main event in October, 10k chips affair, level 1 25-50. UTG opens for 100, called in 2 spots, BB makes it 400, UTG makes it 1k total, all fold BB makes it 3k, UTG Jams, BB dwells and says he is pretty certain that BB has KQ?!?!? and calls. BB had 22, UTG had 88! Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: scotty2hatty on December 26, 2007, 03:20:31 PM generally speaking i would say ur right but i cant see a £250 freeze attracting a weak field to be honest. The game wont be as soft as it would be if u were playing a 20 rebuy. You would be amazed at just how weak big buy in fields can be. Just to quote a couple of examples, during the £1000 Midland Masters, (a 10,000 chip, 1 hour clock event) I saw several all-ins during the first level with one pair hands. I even saw an all in pre, 55 v AJ. At cardiff in a £250 buy in, someone rr me all in, creating a 18k pot during the 4th level. He was holding A6 (suited) Brighton main event in October, 10k chips affair, level 1 25-50. UTG opens for 100, called in 2 spots, BB makes it 400, UTG makes it 1k total, all fold BB makes it 3k, UTG Jams, BB dwells and says he is pretty certain that BB has KQ?!?!? and calls. BB had 22, UTG had 88! Classic. Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: Tragic on December 26, 2007, 07:06:53 PM That is genius.
Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: vinni on December 26, 2007, 08:09:56 PM as flushy would say MUGS.
Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: AlexMartin on December 27, 2007, 06:46:14 AM Live players are generally horrendous, online players have a basic grasp of the fundamentals. £250 FO id expect same field as a $50FO online.
Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: owen1923 on December 27, 2007, 10:36:58 AM How can the standard be so different, the bulk of the players I play live with have learnt the game online,and still play the bulk of their play online, so the players are basicaly the same.
Some of the old school live players who do not play online are generally poor tournament players, many treat the tournaments as something to pass the time until the cash games kick off, then they become dangerous poker animals, who sometimes appear very loose and many of the younger online players leave the game wondering how on earth they lost all their cash to 'that donkey'. I think the biggest difference is the social element, many people treat the basic live tournaments as a night out, just the same as going to the pub, and poker is the entertainment, so attitudes are relaxed and they are prepared to gamble to a greater degree. In theory the core of the players are the same people, so the standard of play should be the same, but as it is not in most cases then it is obviously down to the attitudes of players when they sit at a real table. In the higher stakes games, I would argue that the players who are gambling their whole tourmaments on marginal hands in the early stages are the same people who are pushing all in with ace rag on the first level on line. Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: Royal Flush on December 27, 2007, 02:28:25 PM In theory the core of the players are the same people, so the standard of play should be the same, but as it is not in most cases then it is obviously down to the attitudes of players when they sit at a real table.. Where do you play? Nearly everyone in my local casino swears blind that online is rigged and they barely ever play it. Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: AlexMartin on December 27, 2007, 04:12:01 PM In theory the core of the players are the same people, so the standard of play should be the same, but as it is not in most cases then it is obviously down to the attitudes of players when they sit at a real table.. Where do you play? Nearly everyone in my local casino swears blind that online is rigged and they barely ever play it. IT IS FFS! Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: DaveShoelace on December 27, 2007, 04:22:13 PM Its funny, most poker magazines have had at some point a 'how to prepare for your first live game' article which imply that online players get eaten alive. I think it should be the other way round, some of the boys from my local casino talk about online poker like its some mythical place where people wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people.
Some of the crap I have heard from 'live' players about how its impossible to win with the best hand online is remarkable. Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: Royal Flush on December 27, 2007, 04:38:23 PM Its funny, most poker magazines have had at some point a 'how to prepare for your first live game' article which imply that online players get eaten alive. I think it should be the other way round, some of the boys from my local casino talk about online poker like its some mythical place where people wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people. Some of the crap I have heard from 'live' players about how its impossible to win with the best hand online is remarkable. The best was when someone asked 1 of the tin hat brigade how come myself Paul Parker and Martin Green (Brighton locals) all win big online, the reply came "they must be part of the conspiracy" i kid you not Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: DaveShoelace on December 27, 2007, 04:50:13 PM I've had people tell me that I was probably a crap player BECAUSE I am a winning player online.
I also find it quite funny when some old school live players will call an all-in with something like King-four because 'you looked weak'. Title: Re: Standard - live vs. online Post by: vegaslover on December 27, 2007, 08:05:00 PM Its funny, most poker magazines have had at some point a 'how to prepare for your first live game' article which imply that online players get eaten alive. I think it should be the other way round, some of the boys from my local casino talk about online poker like its some mythical place where people wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people. Some of the crap I have heard from 'live' players about how its impossible to win with the best hand online is remarkable. The best was when someone asked 1 of the tin hat brigade how come myself Paul (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=334) Parker (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=334) and Martin (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=269) Green (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=269) (Brighton locals) all win big online, the reply came "they must be part of the conspiracy" i kid you not |