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Title: Flopped Top 2
Post by: GlasgowBandit on December 28, 2007, 07:30:45 PM
£25 freezeout, 78 players we're down to 33 players average stack is around 19k we have 27.5 k after loosing 20k the round previous when your 14k bet on the flop was called by a MUG on a 9 8 3 rainbow board, when holding K 6 - misread his hand and thought he had K 9.

Blinds are 1/2k so its becoming a crapshoot.  your in the BB and pick up AJs the mug is UTG +1 and min raises to 4 k, comes round to the button who seems to be calling with any 2 paint.  SB passes, the button has about 35k and UTG+1 has around 28k.

I decided I was happy to take what was in the middle so decided to raise, it up by an extra 9k should I have made this more? Or does this seem about right its 3/4 of whats in the pot pot UTG+1 calls the 9k so does the button flop comes down A J 3 rainbow .

This is an insta push right?  Or would you get tricky and hop one of them makes a probing bet so you get more chips off them?  Do you push and want a call or are you happy to take down the 40k down thats in the middle?  this would put you near a final table stack with 33 players left in!  With your stack you can start to put pressure on the small stacks at the table and go for the jugular.

What hands are we putting the villains on?


Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: Graham C on December 28, 2007, 07:40:21 PM
I'd push in, not sure what they could be on, probably AQ, AJ, AK, nice pocket pairs?  I'm happy to get it in here though.  AA may have tried to slow play, JJ would have raised preflop and 33 either folded or pushed AI preflop too, imo.


Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: Ironside on December 28, 2007, 07:45:39 PM
personally with the AJ oop and 2 players i would push a pot raise would of been to 17k which is nearly half your stack

anything less than a pot will get called there

pick up the dead chips if you get called you get called but make them decide


Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: Ironside on December 28, 2007, 07:47:03 PM
on the flop its an auto push

you dont want it going check check and some catching a flush draw or even worse a made straight


Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: Royal Flush on December 28, 2007, 07:47:25 PM
Yeah i like to re-raise more pre. As played just tank it in on the flop, an ace is calling.


Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: Ironside on December 28, 2007, 07:50:02 PM
bugger somethings wrong with my game flushy is agreeing with me too much recently

maybe thats why i cashed live for the first time in ages on wednessday


Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: GlasgowBandit on December 28, 2007, 07:51:58 PM
Yeah i like to re-raise more pre. As played just tank it in on the flop, an ace is calling.

Me too I never really thought about the raise as much as I should have, and I agree an A is calling especially with the standard of play in this competition. 



Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: cooker3 on December 29, 2007, 05:46:01 PM
I push preflop and now on the flop


Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 29, 2007, 06:30:17 PM
This is your intention when you raised pre-flop.....
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I decided I was happy to take what was in the middle so decided to raise

This is what happened.....
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UTG+1 calls the 9k so does the button

So the answer to your question "Should I have made this more?" is easy. Yes! If you are happy with what's in the middle and think you have the best hand then pushing pre-flop is the move that gives you the best chance to fulfill this objective. Why raise less if all you want is to take the pot now?

Post-flop....the average stack is 19k and there is a 40k pot sitting in the middle. If you were happy to scoop pre-flop then you should be delighted to scoop here instead, so all-in without hesitation.



Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: temp0r on December 30, 2007, 03:06:56 AM
i'd make it 9k as a value raise rather than a take down! i don't know if i shove against bad oppo here. would rather put a bet that makes sure the rest goes in on the turn.


Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: cooker3 on December 30, 2007, 04:50:22 AM
i'd make it 9k as a value raise rather than a take down! i don't know if i shove against bad oppo here. would rather put a bet that makes sure the rest goes in on the turn.

Why would you min raise a min raise. If shove and if they fold you increase your stack by 33%, that is huge!
This is not a time for a finesse.


Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: temp0r on December 30, 2007, 07:49:00 PM
i was agreeing with his preflop line actually. i didn't mean i'd make it 9 total i meant 9 extra.


Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: The_Diamond on December 31, 2007, 04:57:51 AM
Shove preflop and increase your stack by over 30% when they both fold. Making it 9K more makes no sense. If you get called are you check folding every flop you miss having committed almost 50% of your stack?


Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: Longy on December 31, 2007, 10:24:12 AM
Shove it in preflop, AJ oop with only a pot size bet back makes postflop so hard to play. As played i shove the flop.


Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: AdamG on December 31, 2007, 05:55:26 PM
shove the flop, most Aces are calling here


Title: Re: Flopped Top 2
Post by: GlasgowBandit on December 31, 2007, 09:54:38 PM
I pushed the flop for my last 14.5k and UTG +1 called button passed.

Mug showed QTs  I was delerious until the turn brough a K.

In hindsight I think should have pushed preflop and took down the 11k that was in the middle, but something tells me UTG+1 was still calling. 

I think the call with Q T was a joke, he called off his last 14 k with a gut shot, I know he only has 7x bb but I dont think he should have been involved in the hand after his min raise was called in one spot and re-raised in another.  But hey ho.  I suppose I want them calling with these sort of hands it just hurts when they luck out on you.