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Betfair $2/$5 table

UTG mini raises to $10 which is in turn reraised to $37.50 which I flat call.

UTG pushes for an extra $4.15 ($51.65 all in). As I understand it this should not reopen the betting for the initial raiser but in this case it does and I end up calling a much larger bet Pre flop.

In a live game I am 99% sure the re raiser can not open the betting again. (although my live experiance is tournament not cash)

I would appreciate some comments and is it worth pointing out to Betfair?  Is this a problem on other online sites?

I dont have any problem with the hand itself but need to be aware for future situations.

I have posted the hand to help with the explanation





***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 303775495 *****
PL $2.50/$5 Omaha - Tuesday, January 22, 20:57:39 GMT 2008
Table Rhone 03 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: smygaramar ( $263.29 )
Seat 2: ginger2 ( $51.65 )
Seat 3: Donkey Oaty ( $566.75 )
Seat 4: cats83 ( $485.30 )
Seat 5: Hitandrun ( $864.20 )
Seat 6: Muddox ( $446 )
Muddox posts small blind [$2.50]
smygaramar posts big blind [$5]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hitandrun [ Jh, Kd, 7h, Td ]
ginger2 raises to [$10]
Donkey Oaty folds
cats83 raises to [$37.50]
Hitandrun calls [$37.50]
Muddox folds
smygaramar folds
ginger2 goes all-in
ginger2 raises to [$51.65]
cats83 raises to [$199.95]
Hitandrun calls [$162.45]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 5d, Qs ]
cats83 goes all-in
cats83 bets [$285.35]
Hitandrun calls [$285.35]
** Showdown **
ginger2 shows [ Ah, 9c, Qh, 5c ]
cats83 shows [ Ad, Js, 4d, As ]
Hitandrun shows [ Jh, Kd, 7h, Td ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
** Hand Conclusion **
cats83 wins $867.30 from side pot #1 with two pair, Aces and Eights
cats83 wins $159.45 from main pot with two pair, Aces and Eights
************  Game 303775495 ends  ************

Yes this is a bug.  Ask Betfair for your money back.  Also insist that they warn players about this.

Its a long term known bug on Betfair is it not?

I didn't know about it altho I only ever played there briefly, I would expect a reputable organisation to highlight where their software is deficient.  BF were quick enough to freeze accounts etc when the stt bug cost them money, so they should pay OP the money he lost because of their incompetent programming.

Thanks for the advice.

I have emailed my hand to Batfair and will let you know what they say.

yeah it is a bug..that still doesn't mean he has to call the bet though.

Don't play on betfair. Their updated software has been faulty since it was introduced.

All the players there know that a reraise reopens the betting- as there are no set worldwide rules for poker how you gonna tell them that they aren't right and everyone else is wrong? AS for the OP getitng his money back did the bug make him call? would he have wanted anything to happen had he won the pot?

Please don't attempt to defend a shoddy product from a shoddy company because they throw you the odd scrap.

lmao You have a way with words mate :)....Tis indeed pretty shitty. the guy could have folded ad asked for his money back though..you can't call..then lose and then moan about it.

Betfair can't have it both ways.  If they chase players for losses caused by bugs then players are entitled to have their losses caused by bugs refunded.

chase players for losses caused by bugs?...never heard that before..do tell :)

They have reclaimed all overpaid winnings from their STT paying everyone fiasco.

ah yes of course...

Did not realise this was a standard rule, although obv i know it is generally applied. Just reniforces the need for a big fat rulebook we all abide by imo.

Betfair is a joke. When the new software first got launched I remember reading cases where the losing hand was winning the pot. I wouldn't go near it

Why on earth do you think I play there?

No reply from betfair as of yet, but I see it like this.

A flat call pre flop allows me to see a cheap flop when I am pretty sure this tight player is on AAxx.

As I have hit a reasonable flop for my hand I prob then call the flop bet of approx $160. If as I hope the player then slows down I get a free river card or pass to a big bet on the turn saving myself conciderable $$$$$$

With the pot size due to the re raise  I cannot pass my hand on the flop as I am easily priced in.

I have no idea what betfairs take on this will be , but it is worth asking the question, and as I say I will be wiser for the future.

IMHO no way should the betting be allowed to reopen because a short stack has pushed for slightly more than the raise

he pushed pre-flop you ddn't have to call pre-flop and that is the call we are arguing about, surely?

lol, nh

Yeah, clearly betting shouldn't be re-opened pf

True Boldie I am not disputing that. I did not have to call pre flop.

But retrospectively to call pre flop I should not of had to pay that much. Thats my very weak point?

regardless it will be interesting to get some feedback from betfair as to how they percieve it.

I am not expecting any compensation but an explanation.

In my opinion this loophole puts a shortstack sitting at the table at a massive advantage. By pushing slightly more than a standard raise you can gain protection from a big stack reopening the betting.
getting the pot heads up rather than 3/4/5 way. Those players stuck in the middle are unable to value call the bet as the initial raiser may now re raise full pot again.

In all seriousness I may consider the value of sitting down on a higher stake table with slightly more than an opening pot raise.

It raises a lot of questions.