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Title: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 27, 2008, 08:57:05 PM
I came across this drunk guy today. He overbet all his hands with pretty much any two cards, and prior to my realising that something was amiss, managed to fluke $200 off me. I then doubled up when he bet $88 into a $22 pot and an A-J-Q-J-K board. I pushed all-in for $400 with K-J and he called with T-2. At this point I got rather excited and started chatting with him in the chatbox in order to keep him happy. I didn't get much more out of him after that, but we did enjoy the most bizarre exchange of dialogue I've encountered thus far. I have of course changed the monikers to something more suitable.

Mr Reed inexplicably moves all-in for $750…

Oliver Reed: ops missclick
Barman Beagle: lol
Barman Beagle: what did u have
Oliver Reed: had t8o
Oliver Reed: lol
Oliver Reed: wops

And then it all becomes clear…

Oliver Reed: im drunk didt saw pair lool

Our Barman Beagle suddenly seems more interested in chatting…

Barman Beagle: lucky river
Barman Beagle: for me
Barman Beagle: where r u from?
Oliver Reed: for me too i though lol
Oliver Reed: Europe

Blimey, I think I’ve been there…


Oliver Reed: u
Barman Beagle: uk
Barman Beagle: u english?
Oliver Reed: no
Barman Beagle: not welsh?
Oliver Reed: 1 i know now im drunk lol
Barman Beagle: france?
Oliver Reed: ugadabugada

Oh yes, of course, ugadabugada, that was my next guess.


Barman Beagle: ah - nice country
Barman Beagle: went there last week
Oliver Reed: y pretty sick
Oliver Reed: im gus mother
Oliver Reed: so sick isnt it
Barman Beagle: Gus (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=564) Hansen (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=564)?
Oliver Reed: ofc
Oliver Reed: hes a fish i learn him

Haven’t we all, in fact I learned him just last week.


Barman Beagle: he lives in monte carlo
Barman Beagle: although danish i think
Oliver Reed: hes from mozambik
Oliver Reed: i bring him

No, no, I don’t want to play Gus, I want to play you, my new best friend.

Barman Beagle: yes, the Danish region
Oliver Reed: he didnt know whos his father to now
Barman Beagle: what do you mean?
Oliver Reed: i am bluffing him all life
Oliver Reed: and my husband too lol
Barman Beagle: you mean you are his father and you haven't told him?
Oliver Reed: anyway
Barman Beagle: like in Star Wars

I knew Gus had his secrets, but imagine how big the 2+2 thread would be once this gets out. 50 pages I reckon!


Oliver Reed: im his mother
Barman Beagle: u can't be both
Oliver Reed: was father then i changed sex

100 pages!

Barman Beagle: fair enough
Oliver Reed: and invitro
Barman Beagle: you kinda look male still tho
Barman Beagle: with the suit and everything
Oliver Reed: strings

Sorry?


Oliver Reed: only now
Barman Beagle: what strings?
Oliver Reed: striing bikini

Of course.


Oliver Reed: winy winny string bikini

Nurse!

Oliver Reed: gimme another beer 1 sec

Wait there, let me hold open the fridge door for you.


Oliver Reed: ok lets go 50 in the dark next hand preflop then check to the end?

Er...

Barman Beagle: how do i know you'll check though?
Oliver Reed: u in?
Oliver Reed: i will
Oliver Reed: i promise
Barman Beagle: but i don't know you

Mr Reed has been overbetting every hand with random cards and all the time we’ve been chatting I’ve been dealt the worst run of cards I’ve ever experienced as he contues to make it 30 or so dollars pre-flop every hand with blinds of $2/4. However, on this occasion, although suspicious, I have an Ace and am in position so decide to see what happens. I also want to keep him happy so he doesn’t bugger off.

Barman Beagle: Okay, why not.

Mr Reed proceeds to flop the nut straight with 7-5 and, as was his word, checks it down.


Oliver Reed: so sick
Barman Beagle: nh
Oliver Reed: ty
Barman Beagle: so sick that u flopped str8
Oliver Reed: ok next hand 100 pre flop check to the end?

Crikey, now this is getting expensive.


Oliver Reed: next hand 100?
Barman Beagle: 100 is a lot
Barman Beagle: 50?
Oliver Reed: ok

In the small blind I find a good hand again and type $50 in the raise box, confident that he will call with any two and check it down because… well, he’s insane.

Oliver Reed: 50 not 52

The bet came out as 52, and he folded! Talk about nit-picking.


Barman Beagle: fold?
Barman Beagle: lol
Oliver Reed: next or now?
Barman Beagle: don't mind
Oliver Reed: lets next then

Here we go again, this time he flops the third nut flush with J-Ts and, again, checks it down. This is bizarre.


Oliver Reed: so sick:)
Barman Beagle: wow
Barman Beagle: incredible
Oliver Reed: lady luck
Barman Beagle: weird
Oliver Reed: if u wanna try my nut again just say when

I beg your pardon?


Barman Beagle: what do u mean?
Oliver Reed: 50 again next hand ?

Look, I just want your money!

Oliver Reed: i guess ill have nuts on flop again

I agree to this $50 game, realising that it’s a coinflip, but will at least keep him at the table. Frustratingly, he makes the nut flush, although he did have to wait till the Turn this time.

Oliver Reed: on turn now
Barman Beagle: oh my god

Hopefully now this silly game is behind us and I can just take his money by waiting for a hand.

Oliver Reed: lets go every hand?
Oliver Reed: 5 in a row?

Argh!!!

Barman Beagle: brilliant
Oliver Reed: cmon
Barman Beagle: u keep winning

Naturally, I decide that raising to $50 each hand and checking it down isn’t particularly +ev.

Oliver Reed: why u folded
Oliver Reed: no more?
Barman Beagle: can't do em every hand
Barman Beagle: I quite like normal play
Barman Beagle: lol
Oliver Reed: no more 50 u mean?
Barman Beagle: why not just 20 every hand?
Oliver Reed: booring

Hey, I’m scintillating! You have the advantage of being pissed.


Oliver Reed: ok im leaving say how much for the end u can get
back all my 50s

Nooooo. Please stay. You are Gus (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=564) Hansen (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=564)’s transsexual sole parent. I believe you!


Barman Beagle: how do you mean?
Oliver Reed: how much for the last next hand im leaving
Barman Beagle: 20?
Oliver Reed: ok
Oliver Reed: real last

Queens!!! Right, what the hell do I do here, do I stay true to my word and check it down? Nahhhh.


Oliver Reed: wtf

Let’s re-raise all-in.


Barman Beagle: gambling
Oliver Reed: ffs
Oliver Reed: bye

Bugger!


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: TightEnd on January 27, 2008, 09:00:50 PM
Post of the Year so far.....!!!


How much to send his username and the site through by PM please?


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: totalise on January 27, 2008, 09:02:55 PM
looks like you agreed to check it down and then grimmed him and pushed when you had a good hand on first glance....hopefully this isn't the case as that is terrible


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: Longy on January 27, 2008, 09:14:05 PM
Hmmm Snoops you posted in the "Seeing your neighbours cards" that you would call a td if your saw an opponents hand accidentally.

Then you agree in chat to go 20 blind and check it down, then go back on it and grimm him by 3 betting.

Does not compute? I think the 2nd crime is far worse morally than the 1st.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: ripple11 on January 27, 2008, 09:15:11 PM
 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

 Brilliant post Snoops


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: byronkincaid on January 27, 2008, 09:15:47 PM
 ;popcorn;


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: boldie on January 27, 2008, 09:18:33 PM
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Hmmm Snoops you posted in the "Seeing your neighbours cards" that you would call a td if your saw an opponents hand accidentally.

Then you agree in chat to go 20 blind and check it down, then go back on it and grimm him by 3 betting.

Does not compute? I think the 2nd crime is far worse morally than the 1st.

I agree. the guy keeps to his word 3 times or so by checking it down and then you break yours and raise all in when you finally find a hand. Very uncool, Snoops. Of course the guy left..he probably would have stayed if you hadn't broken your word.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: steeveg on January 27, 2008, 09:24:51 PM
 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

i will never look at gus hansen in the same way


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 27, 2008, 09:25:53 PM
Hmmm Snoops you posted in the "Seeing your neighbours cards" that you would call a td if your saw an opponents hand accidentally.

Then you agree in chat to go 20 blind and check it down, then go back on it and grimm him by 3 betting.

Does not compute? I think the 2nd crime is far worse morally than the 1st.

I disagree. I've lied about my hand many times, even said I'll show if I call and then not show. I don't feel I'm obligated to do what he suggests and I never gave him my word. I think chat is part of the game and you should be able to use it to manipulate opponents.

I don't think looking at someone's cards is the same thing, but like I said in the other thread, it's an individual thing and what you personally feel is right/wrong. I wouldn't critsise anyone who did so, but it's not something that I would do.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: boldie on January 27, 2008, 09:27:38 PM
Hmmm Snoops you posted in the "Seeing your neighbours cards" that you would call a td if your saw an opponents hand accidentally.

Then you agree in chat to go 20 blind and check it down, then go back on it and grimm him by 3 betting.

Does not compute? I think the 2nd crime is far worse morally than the 1st.

I disagree. I've lied about my hand many times, even said I'll show if I call and then not show. I don't feel I'm obligated to do what he suggests and I never gave him my word. I think chat is part of the game and you should be able to use it to manipulate opponents.

I don't think looking at someone's cards is the same thing, but like I said in the other thread, it's an individual thing and what you personally feel is right/wrong. I wouldn't critsise anyone who did so, but it's not something that I would do.

"Oliver Reed: ok lets go 50 in the dark next hand preflop then check to the end?

Er...

Barman Beagle: how do i know you'll check though?
Oliver Reed: u in?
Oliver Reed: i will
Oliver Reed: i promise
Barman Beagle: but i don't know you

Mr Reed has been overbetting every hand with random cards and all the time we’ve been chatting I’ve been dealt the worst run of cards I’ve ever experienced as he contues to make it 30 or so dollars pre-flop every hand with blinds of $2/4. However, on this occasion, although suspicious, I have an Ace and am in position so decide to see what happens. I also want to keep him happy so he doesn’t bugger off.

Barman Beagle: Okay, why not."




Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: byronkincaid on January 27, 2008, 09:29:46 PM
Hmmm Snoops you posted in the "Seeing your neighbours cards" that you would call a td if your saw an opponents hand accidentally.

Then you agree in chat to go 20 blind and check it down, then go back on it and grimm him by 3 betting.

Does not compute? I think the 2nd crime is far worse morally than the 1st.

I disagree. I've lied about my hand many times, even said I'll show if I call and then not show. I don't feel I'm obligated to do what he suggests and I never gave him my word. I think chat is part of the game and you should be able to use it to manipulate opponents.

I don't think looking at someone's cards is the same thing, but like I said in the other thread, it's an individual thing and what you personally feel is right/wrong. I wouldn't critsise anyone who did so, but it's not something that I would do.

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Barman Beagle: 20?


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 27, 2008, 09:32:31 PM
Hmmm Snoops you posted in the "Seeing your neighbours cards" that you would call a td if your saw an opponents hand accidentally.

Then you agree in chat to go 20 blind and check it down, then go back on it and grimm him by 3 betting.

Does not compute? I think the 2nd crime is far worse morally than the 1st.

I disagree. I've lied about my hand many times, even said I'll show if I call and then not show. I don't feel I'm obligated to do what he suggests and I never gave him my word. I think chat is part of the game and you should be able to use it to manipulate opponents.

I don't think looking at someone's cards is the same thing, but like I said in the other thread, it's an individual thing and what you personally feel is right/wrong. I wouldn't critsise anyone who did so, but it's not something that I would do.

"Oliver Reed: ok lets go 50 in the dark next hand preflop then check to the end?

Er...

Barman Beagle: how do i know you'll check though?
Oliver Reed: u in?
Oliver Reed: i will
Oliver Reed: i promise
Barman Beagle: but i don't know you

Mr Reed has been overbetting every hand with random cards and all the time we’ve been chatting I’ve been dealt the worst run of cards I’ve ever experienced as he contues to make it 30 or so dollars pre-flop every hand with blinds of $2/4. However, on this occasion, although suspicious, I have an Ace and am in position so decide to see what happens. I also want to keep him happy so he doesn’t bugger off.

Barman Beagle: Okay, why not."




As I said, chat is there to be used as a weapon in my book and is different to looking at someones cards when you're not meant to. Whether I'm giving my word there I guess is subjective, I can certainly see your point, but if you say that you want someone to call when you are bluffing, you are lying too. I don't have any problem with fibs at the table, I don't feel people are obliged to stay truthful.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: totalise on January 27, 2008, 09:37:19 PM
well the main difference is that the agreement where you gave your "word" was preflop, so all the stuff about bluffing/showing cards is redundant.... how far do you take this snoops? if you are at a final table HUHU and you say to your opponent, "lets chop it" and he agrees, you win, get 1st place money, will you just say "hahah!!! lying and cheating is all part of the game, i wont be giving you anything!" is that fair game as well?




Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 27, 2008, 09:44:06 PM
It should be added that this guy folded pre-flop himself when I had an Ace and said "No, not this one, next", so I don't think I owed him anything.  I wasn't too fussed at the time though because I wanted to keep him at the table, hopefully playing normal poker.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 27, 2008, 09:56:22 PM
Hmmm Snoops you posted in the "Seeing your neighbours cards" that you would call a td if your saw an opponents hand accidentally.

Then you agree in chat to go 20 blind and check it down, then go back on it and grimm him by 3 betting.

Does not compute? I think the 2nd crime is far worse morally than the 1st.

I disagree. I've lied about my hand many times, even said I'll show if I call and then not show. I don't feel I'm obligated to do what he suggests and I never gave him my word. I think chat is part of the game and you should be able to use it to manipulate opponents.

I don't think looking at someone's cards is the same thing, but like I said in the other thread, it's an individual thing and what you personally feel is right/wrong. I wouldn't critsise anyone who did so, but it's not something that I would do.

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Barman Beagle: 20?

I did exactly that. I put in 20. I didn't say I'd check it down.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: boldie on January 28, 2008, 08:42:44 AM
"I said 20 not that I would check it down". You're talking semantics here Snoops and you know it....you had played the check-it-down game for 50$ a few times already and you only changed the stake to 20. The checkin- it down was implied, wasn't it?

Would you do this in a live-game? If so remind me never to take your word for anything at the poker tabe, if not..then you know it's not right what you did and you would only do it online because you are hiding behind your pc.



Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 28, 2008, 01:25:46 PM
"I said 20 not that I would check it down". You're talking semantics here Snoops and you know it....you had played the check-it-down game for 50$ a few times already and you only changed the stake to 20. The checkin- it down was implied, wasn't it?

Would you do this in a live-game? If so remind me never to take your word for anything at the poker tabe, if not..then you know it's not right what you did and you would only do it online because you are hiding behind your pc.



Boldie. He broke the supposed agreement on a hand prior by folding pre-flop, I have the hand and chat history. He also didn't play his hand when I made it $52 instead of $50. Is that not semantics? If he doesn't keep to an agreement, then why should I owe him anything?


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: boldie on January 28, 2008, 01:30:21 PM
I don't see him folding any hands other than when you raised to 52 instead of 50.


anyways it doesn't matter to me..I would be interested though in whether you would do it this way live or not.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 28, 2008, 01:39:11 PM
I don't see him folding any hands other than when you raised to 52 instead of 50.


anyways it doesn't matter to me..I would be interested though in whether you would do it this way live or not.

I condensed the chat and cut out some of the crap. If I'd realised Judge Judy was watching I would have published the lot, but to be honest, it was just meant to be a fun post with some bizarre and hopefully, amusing chat. Didn't know I'd be on trial.

Would I do it live? If he'd already done it to me, yes, I'd use chat as a weapon and stick it up him, but please, don't take it out of context, and don't make assumptions unless you are sure of the details. There are a lot worse people than me worthy of your time, I promise you.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: boldie on January 28, 2008, 01:52:21 PM
yeah..It's a slow day up here in "high road land". Didn't mean to piss you off snoops, didn't realise you'd condensed the chat.

Sorry mate.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: ariston on January 28, 2008, 01:55:39 PM
bad beagle tsk

i hear Men the Master is looking for new students and you could fit in well ;)


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 28, 2008, 01:58:31 PM
yeah..It's a slow day up here in "high road land". Didn't mean to piss you off snoops, didn't realise you'd condensed the chat.

Sorry mate.

My fault I guess, I shouldn't have said it was condensed earlier.

Actually, hiding behind the pc is true in a sense, because even if he was completely drunk and had done it to me previously (if only pre-flop), then I would not stick it up him so to speak on that last hand. I'd get a beating, whether I was justified or not, and I'm too pretty for that. Well, that's what mumsy says.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: Snatiramas on January 28, 2008, 02:45:09 PM
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IMHO just log the guys name and details and let him go.......don't tap the aquarium............enjoyed the subsequent verbal joust on the thread though


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: redsimon on January 28, 2008, 07:15:01 PM
Why is it called grimming?..did look a bit dodgy snoops...hows the taxman challenge?


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: byronkincaid on January 28, 2008, 07:24:18 PM
named after grimstarr who agreed to a 5K flip and then folded his garbage hand. then went on 2p2 and basically told everyone to F off


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: Rhu on January 30, 2008, 09:40:46 PM
He bet 20 and you went all in? That's not the same as folding pre-flop.

I may be wrong but at no point does he do anything like that to you. I think it was out of line if that's true.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: snoopy1239 on January 30, 2008, 10:12:19 PM
He bet 20 and you went all in? That's not the same as folding pre-flop.

I may be wrong but at no point does he do anything like that to you. I think it was out of line if that's true.

I disagree. I don't think the amount in the pot is relevant.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: Royal Flush on January 31, 2008, 03:27:38 PM
Pretty low snoops, your word is only worth £10?


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: GreekStein on January 31, 2008, 09:49:18 PM
i gotta agree that it was pretty out of order, when u made it 52 he probably just folded by mistake or out of sheer drunkenness. its not like he had any fear, and doing it in previous hands with 7 high show that. he kept a gentlemanly agreement and checked it down with u when he flopped the nuts. Imagine if u had flopped top two in that hand and he moves in. are you not calling against this guy?

imo thats just poor form, its a shame he didnt wake up with aces and stack you for the lot! lol


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: snoopy1239 on February 01, 2008, 02:17:10 AM
i gotta agree that it was pretty out of order, when u made it 52 he probably just folded by mistake or out of sheer drunkenness. its not like he had any fear, and doing it in previous hands with 7 high show that. he kept a gentlemanly agreement and checked it down with u when he flopped the nuts. Imagine if u had flopped top two in that hand and he moves in. are you not calling against this guy?

imo thats just poor form, its a shame he didnt wake up with aces and stack you for the lot! lol

No, he folded because he didn't want to play the hand, he said, "Not this time, next one" or something similar in the chatbox. As I said earlier, he also folded pre-flop on one hand even though he'd agreed to check it down. Up until that point, I had played by his drunken rules, so I really don't think I owed him anything. If he doesn't play by the rules, then why should I?


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: snoopy1239 on February 01, 2008, 02:56:07 AM
Gotta agree with some of the other posters. The two wrongs making a right defence doesn't cut it for me

Maybe not, but I guess that's a matter of opinion, of which I seem to be in the minority. If he hadn't shown dishonesty himself, then I probably wouldn't have done it to him, but at the time, I felt, he didn't stick to the rules before, twice, in fact, so why should I. Right or wrong, that was my thought process at the time. Online, I never insult, abuse or lambast people for the way they play. Live, I am polite and courteous and leave every tournament congratulating my assassin and wishing the table good luck. I don't think I've ever lost my rag or had a go at someone for the way they played their hand. In that sense, I feel as though there are a lot more people out there worthier of a character assassination than me. I suppose it's always easy to try and make someone out to be a cheat though. The thread was put up as fun, but has been taken out of context and used to have a go at me without having all the details at hand. I'm tired of defending myself now and a little disappointed that I didn't get at least one benefit of the doubt comment considering the respect I have given the game and my opponents over the last several years. That's my last post on the thread.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: tikay on February 01, 2008, 03:03:11 AM
Gotta agree with some of the other posters. The two wrongs making a right defence doesn't cut it for me

Maybe not, but I guess that's a matter of opinion, of which I seem to be in the minority. If he hadn't shown dishonesty himself, then I probably wouldn't have done it to him, but at the time, I felt, he didn't stick to the rules before, twice, in fact, so why should I. Right or wrong, that was my thought process at the time. Online, I never insult, abuse or lambast people for the way they play. Live, I am polite and courteous and leave every tournament congratulating my assassin and wishing the table good luck. I don't think I've ever lost my rag or had a go at someone for the way they played their hand. In that sense, I feel as though there are a lot more people out there worthier of a character assassination than me. I suppose it's always easy to try and make someone out to be a cheat though. The thread was put up as fun, but has been taken out of context and used to have a go at me without having all the details at hand. I'm tired of defending myself now and a little disappointed that I didn't get at least one benefit of the doubt comment considering the respect I have given the game and my opponents over the last several years. That's my last post on the thread.

Those that give you the "benefit of the doubt" don't Post. It's the way of the world, I'm afraid.

It was a fun Post, about a fun session witrh a daft drunk, & has been taken wholly out of context.

You are a good, morally upright, honest man of great integrity beyond your years, & you know that. And we do.

Forget this thread, & move on. I bet you wished you'd never Posted it!

It must be a dog's life being a beagle.


Title: Re: Mr Reed & The Barman
Post by: thetank on February 01, 2008, 03:07:19 AM
I mis-judged the tone of the thread, and jumped on the bash the beagle bandwagon.

I thought I was indulging in a bit of light hearted needling, didn't want to upset anyone. Poor judgement on my part perhaps.

Feel bad, should be in bed.  :'(

There's about three dozen people on blonde I'd trust enough to go £50 blind pre-flop on the condition that the remainder of the hand is checked down. Snoopy is still near the top of that list.