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 This is  an email that was sent to myself i cannot vouch for its authenticity

 For any of you that travel on the M25................. BEWARE..............
 

 

As from 15th Feb 2008 the speed cameras between junctions 10 (Wisley/A3) and 15 (Heathrow) WILL be active.  At present they are set intermittently to activate with any vehicle travelling over 93 MPH.  As from the 15th they will be permanently set to activate at 80 MPH. 

 

I am reliable informed that everyone travelling over this speed WILL get a ticket.  This will no doubt rake the Government `loads of cash`.  DON'T GET CAUGHT.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23440064-details/New+digital+speed+cameras+will+trap+more+M25+motorists/article.do
 

 

Please Forward to your Friends......

windup surely?

If its set at 93 i should have about 100 tickets.

I thought they only activate when there are variable speed limits set.

dont  ;snoopy'sguns; the messenger......

you could try driving at the speed limit

by who or whom or whatever?

boring

guessing your a sunday driver?

Rule number 1 of the internet.

Any email which ends with 'please forward to everyone you know' is bullshit.

I remember the good old days before someone liked my R1 more than me the bastard i took it it up to full speed @2 in the morning jee its scary how far you travel when u glance down at the clock at the top speed then back at the road, only ever done it the once mind...

nope

and I managed to survivde a total write off at 50mph last thursday.
went round a blind corner I take every day to find a council lorry that'd just finished removing a felled tree from the road and had taken the warning cones up ready to leave.
another 20mph and I'm pretty sure I'd be dead.

I did a complete circuit of the M25 on wednesday and saw people driving like maniacs all day.
leave half an hour earlier and relax, I say.

Speed isn't a problem.  Inappropriate speed is the problem.

agreed

90 is inappropriate for a road

90 was too much in the 50's when the speed limit was introduced, fine now with modern cars. most cars didn't even have disc brakes back then let alone ABS, ESP etc etc etc

 :goodpost: ;iagree;

 ;iagree; people who think they know how to drive are a problem.. people that travel like total twats i.e... 90+ in lane 3 or four right up your rear as if its there god given right to drive how they want ,then dropping for an undertake if they cant get by.. why people cant seem to stick to 70 is a mystery..
Some of these people think i have ESP and can foresee there driving lunacy......

you can't base the law on the condition of brakes of the better cars on the road. You base it on the condition of a basic road worthy car, amongst many, many other factors.

I think the argument that todays cars are so better equipped at stopping better/faster than those of yesteryear as somewhat mis-leading as it still leaves no room for mechanical/human error into consideration.Just because a car travelling @ say 120mph today can stop sooner than a 1970's cortina doing 70mph what happens if the brakes fail or a tyre blows??? Carnage will follow....

basic car in 50's had crossply tyres, no seatbelts, no crumple zones and the chassis was likely to be rusting through. average car today has all of those and much much more including crash testing to make it safer in an accident!

People don't mention the middle/outside lane hoggers though do they ? The one's that just sit there whether they are over taking or not!! Regardless of my speed, if I can get to the inside I do, thus letting anyone who wants to go faster than me to pass without having to get right up my arse or undertake me.

Also, the 70 mph speed limit is ridiculous. About time it was upped if you ask me.

I would agree with a limit of 80 as this is what most people are doing anyway. 90 is a bit too far IMHO. But I also think that all other roads should have the limit raised to 40.

I also totaly disagree with the argument that people will go 10mph faster than whatever you set the limit to, most people I see on the road drive at a comfortable speed in which they make good progress whilst being in control of their car and in relation to the traffic around them.

All speed cameras in 30 zones should be removed and children should look both ways before crossing the road.

Do more people die on Germany's Autobahns than on US freeways or British motorways?

40mph in a residential area is FAR more dangerous than 100mph on a clear motorway in fine weather.

Driving whilst on a mobile phone is FAR more dangerous than driving at 100mph on a clear motorway in fine weather.

Driving a car that hasn't been properly maintained is FAR more dangerous than driving at 100mph on a clear motorway in fine weather.

Whatever the safety of cars nowadays, airbags, brakes, seatbelts etc, they count for nothing if a speeding car should hit a pedestrian or cyclist.

Why are people hellbent on speed? Are we meant to be impressed when someone boasts they got from A to B in X amount of time, when normally it takes so long, Bravo good for you!!!!!

One of my step daughters from my 1st marriage was walking on the pavement when a "speeding car" lost control and ran her over. Subsequently she had both legs amputated and lives her life in a wheelchair.

Just my thoughts.

For the record I am not saying that you should drive at 40mph down a residential street. You should drive at a speed that is appropriate to your surroundings i.e. on a narrow street full of parked cars and children playing then 20mph is probably quite fast.

But I know many streets that are wide, have good visabilty and no access for pedestrians that are 30 limits with speed cameras (Penistone Road in Sheffield is a good example). Clearly this is a money making oportunity as even the South Yorkshire Police are getting caught there (though they escape punishement because they can't identify who was driving the vehicles apparently).

Which surely reinforces my point about the difference of speed, and inappropriate speed.  I don't mind and would actually prefer 20mph zones in residential areas, near schools, shopping centres, etc.

Pedestrians aren't at risk on motorways, the traffic is all flowing in the same direction, and the condition of the road and things like visibility are far better than non-motorway roads.

I don't know the stats, but it would be interesting to compare the fatalities and serious injuries on US freeways (with a 55mph limit), to those of the UK (70mph limit) and those of Germany (with some unrestricted autobahns).

I also like the dual speed limits on the French autoroutes.  They have a speed limit for dry conditions and another for wet.  Displays show the drivers the speed limit they need to adhere to. 

The problem with the 70mph limit, in my opinion, is that the speed is completely arbitrary.  On Friday when I was driving home from the office in strong winds and some snow, 70mph was too fast.  It would have been inappropriate.  On a dry, clear day, 70mph is perfectly safe, as is 80mph, 90mph and maybe even faster.  I recognise that it's illegal to exceed 70, but that's not what I'm talking about here. 

It's more dangerous for someone to answer their mobile phone at 65mph in the middle lane of a motorway (unless they're on a proper hands-free kit), than it is for someone to drive (conditions permitting) at 90mph whilst completely focused on what you're doing.

It's this fascination people have with arbitrary speeds as a means of making driving safer which I have a problem with.  Very soon, all new cars will have built in crash-prevention measures (like the Mercs and Volvos have where they measure the distance between you and the car in front and slow your car down if the car in front starts to slow).  Will this remove accidents?  No.  Why?  Not because people are going to fast, but because people are driving in a manner that's dangerous.  People change lanes without looking, cut up other drivers, drive on the hard-shoulder, etc.  Oh, and drink-driving - which is far more dangerous than exceeding the current 70mph speed limit.

(Interestingly as I was writing this, an advert was on telly part of the Think! campaign showing someone on the phone to his wife whilst driving his car.  It ends with him having an accident.  I'm glad they're not just focusing on speed.)

To be honest - I'm struggling to think of any cameras along that route - and i do it fairly often...  Can anyone confirm whether there are or not? There are road markings for sure - but no cameras - and on the point of fines - don't pay them. It is an illegal tax that the government try to con you with. Since the de criminalisation of road traffic acts (1991) and the fact that prosecution is not possible.

To be honest we should all be suing them under the theft amendment act 1996 where it is an offence to obtain money by deception. To cut a long story short - and one that i have a lot of time for - the Govt know that courtesy of the Magna Carta and Bill of Rights both created at times of great constitutional crisis precisely to prevent the imposition of summary justice but until the metric Martyr judgement nobody realised that there was going to be a problem - which they are aware of now - and keep quiet abut so that they can rake in as much cash as poss.

oh by the way - if you do get a parking ticket try writing on the back of your cheque - "Paid only on the understanding that this penalty will be returned in full when the supremacy of the Bill of rights over the law under which this penalty has been levied has been confirmed in a court of law" - Always on the back of my cheques now - and the council have yet to cash a single one... -Try it - you might like it...

I'd like to hear more or read up more on this - have you got any websites you can recommend?

The main problem in creasing the speed limit to 80 is that it also increases the top leeway speed. ie the speed limit is now 70 and you don't get pulled up to 80. A lot of motorway users will travel at 90. Add 10mph to those figures for a higher speed limit and your adding more than a big Jonathan Edwards triple jump to a stopping distance.

I do however think police should have guns and take out all people who feel the need to sit in the outside lane. I often drive correctly, head to the inside lane, have a clear lane in front and on my outside, and make up loads of time. They can also take out the ones who don't realise that something being 1/4 mile in front of them, moving at about 10mph slower, does not mean you have to sit ready to overtake, just to be stubborn and think the person behind should only be driving at 70 so its tough.

I will attempt to use a scanner because I've found a very nice article which encapsulates it all by Ashley Mote called "A Pandora's Box of Fixed Penalties" - but my tech expertise with scanners is equal to that of Queen Victoria's - i.e. non existent - so bear with me an i will either pm it to u or post it. But by all means try googling him - he generally has some interesting points and is one of those journalists who can drive you insane one week but that you will find yourself agreeing wholeheartedly with the next...

http://www.ashleymote.co.uk/topics.php?filter=&sec=article&art_id=60

;)

I'm not an expert on law, but I'm not sure that you could try that defence on a speeding ticket, as you have the opportunity to defend yourself in the court of law if you wish.

The article only states that parking offences were decriminalised in the Road Traffic Act 1991, I imagine that speeding is still a criminal offence.

Good luck anyone who tries to get out of a speeding offence by contesting it in court.  You've got very little (zero) chance of getting off unless the police have made some procedural error or the equipment can be shown to be inaccurate/faulty.

If you're speeding and get a £60 fine and 3 points, hold your hands up and accept it.  You broke the law and were caught.  Go to caught and risk paying a LOT more.

It'd be interesting to get someone with legal knowledge to post on here.  Do we know anyone... ;carlocitrone; ?

At the end of the day laws are put into place by society to solve problems and if you break the law then there needs to be consequences, otherwise we might as well have no laws at all.

If you can't accept that if you get caught speeding and get fined, then don't complain when I come round and rob your house.

All very well and i agree with your sentiment however, with the Govt fleecing people with parking tickets that they KNOW can't be held up in a court of law - I'm still being robbed. In fact in someways it could be argued that the thief who breaks into the house is more honest than the council and by extension the Govt as they make no pretense as to their real aim...
Also I'm aware I'm being contentious / anarchic even  but if the Govt is unable to follow the law of the country why should the people?  ;ifm;






 ;)

Obviously not

Do you know anyone?

:dontask:

Nope, I keep away from lawyers, rum lot they are.

Good advice.  Never met one I could trust.

lol, cheeky git.

You'll have the last laugh Robert. You wrote three words in reply to him - wait till he gets the bill for that!

I got stopped for speeding by ukranian police yesterday, I'd even slowed right down as I know where the police are every day. I was on the main L'viv-Kyiv highway which is the equivalent of the A1 in the UK and which has a speed limit of 130 so I was somewhat surprised when told I was in trouble because they'd clocked me at 71. It turns out they've reduced the speed limit to 50 on a 200 yard stretch outside the police station so they can catch and fine drivers (the 50 max signs are hidden in bushes). To say I was unimpressed is an understatement, especially as the speed limit in towns/built up areas is higher at 60 so I point blank refused to fill in any of their forms accepting to pay the fine or to take option b which is to pay a small bribe and just argued with them for 10 minutes. In the end they realised they weren't going to get any cash out of me and let me go. Not before they gave me a demo of how the speed gun worked though which was quite good fun.

Not sure that this tecnique for avoiding fines will work in the UK though

LMFAO ... you fool, while they were showing you how the speed gun works, one of them stuck an incendiary device on your car which caused it to catch fire..OBV. :D

lol, nah mate, good try at the old detective work but this was in a different car, one which up to now has not caught fire. I'm back in the burning one today though

Lol, got to love the former Soviet police... pure comedy. At least until they get their guns out and lock you in their car.

What are you up to in Ukraine gatso..? And is there any decent poker in Kiev that you know of..?

he is an international smuggler of dodgey cars

yep, I have run-ins with the police at least once a week, have been stopped 4 times this week alone. 3 of those times I've not had the car papers as I was in a borrowed car, this normally results in having the car impounded. To avoid this each time I just showed them an old MOT certificate; most of them can't read the roman alphabet but like to pretend they can so they study it for about 30 seconds, look satisfied and then tell you you can go.
most ex-pats out here end up paying them bribes all the time. I just refuse, in fact I've only ever paid once and that was when I'd been a very naughty boy.

used to bribe the polish police all the time though when I was there.


I'm farming oil seed rape and wheat

no idea about poker in Kiev as I've never been, we're based in the west near L'viv

Do you have to bribe the fire brigade out there though?

:dontask:

I think you should start a diary on here too.  I reckon it'd be a great read!

lol @ the fire brigade. my only experience of them came during last summer as I was driving out to the fields. Now, we use the most modern equipment on the market but most farmers around here still rely on horse power of the most literal kind. after the harvest the roads are full of horse and cart combos piled high with straw being moved around. due to some scientific thing which I don't understand but I'm sure Red can explain to you these generate great heat in the centre and this combined with the fact that the summer temperatures are often around 38-39 degrees means small fires are common but generally caught in time.

on the day in question however I drove past a rather more serious fire, the farmer (richer than most as he was pulling his trailer with an old tractor) hadn't caught the fire in time and the straw and trailer were burning away quite nicely. he flagged us down and asked us to call the fire brigade; this is where it gets complicated. nobody could agree on what number to call, I had 2 locals with me plus the farmer and they all had their own idea about which number we should phone. I had no idea so I just handed over my mobile and let them get on with it, they tried different numbers for about 10 minutes all with no luck, no-one answered any of them.

In the end I had to get in the car and leave as I was in hysterics watching this Keystone Cops style caper unfold but didn't want to laugh in front of this poor guy whose livelihood was going up in smoke.

An hour later we were driving back home when we overtook the fire engine driving incredibly slowly on the way to the fire, I can only assume they never found it as there was still straw smouldering by the roadside later on that evening, I just hope my house never catches fire here.

AND RULE NO2 IS??????????

Don't take the bones of 3 weeks to spot rule number 1   :dontask:

 rotflmfao

Where are these rules?? :dontask:

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesAndRegulations/

the offside rule is particularly entertaining

So what did I miss? What have you Told us that is now all of a sudden true ?

errrr this.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23440064-details/New+digital+speed+cameras+will+trap+more+M25+motorists/article.do

most speedometers are pretty inaccurate, I think it's illegal for them to underread so they are set to overread by about 10%. Should be fine cruising past these cameras with the speedo at 85.

you're a sick sick man.

Why? I think I look pretty good in them

(http://doctorheadly.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/speedo_guy.jpg)

TY for blocking my eyes out xxx