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Title: Cardrunners
Post by: Dingdell on February 04, 2008, 10:52:09 PM
Who uses it? Any good? Which package is best? Anything particularly good about it I can't get for free/cheaper elsewhere?

TIA


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: totalise on February 04, 2008, 11:02:42 PM
its a bargain, even if they charged $2,500 a year I'd pay it and consider it a bargain


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: Woodsey on February 04, 2008, 11:05:39 PM
Cardrunners for cash games

Poker x factor for tourneys


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: Graham C on February 04, 2008, 11:14:44 PM
Cardrunners for cash games

Poker x factor for tourneys

Cardrunners has some excellent tourney videos now, really excellent stuff.    They've got some great pros for mtt's now including westmenloAA. 

If you are going to join, you need the top package really.  Pointless having anything less


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: jakally on February 04, 2008, 11:18:22 PM

I use it for NLHE and PLO cash - plenty of vids and mostly good quality and worth watching.
Some good players making the vids - Brian Townsend etc...

Plenty of tourneys and SNG's on also. Not watched all but seem good.

Would definitely recommend - anyone who plays with any regularity should benefit by far more than it costs.

Can't remember title of package I've got but paid a fee up front and a monthly fee for access to all vids.


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: UpTheMariners on February 04, 2008, 11:23:09 PM
i signed up last month, cut some things out of my game straight away. worth the money.


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: Dingdell on February 05, 2008, 12:22:07 AM
Cardrunners for cash games

Poker x factor for tourneys

Whats the difference in what they offer?  I play both but bankroll may mean I can only choose 1.


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: Graham C on February 05, 2008, 12:25:48 AM
Dunno, but on Cardrunners, you can download the video's.  On PXF you have to stream them I believe.   I'm not sure of the pros of PXF over CR, but don't be put off by people saying that PXF for tourneys, CR has loads of tourneys too, like I'm sure PXF has caught up some in cash games. 

As to which is best?  I don't think you'll regret joining either tbh.  I'd like to have a look at PXF, but I'm not forking out the joining fee's again, I'm happy at CR.


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: totalise on February 05, 2008, 12:39:07 AM
Cardrunners for cash games

Poker x factor for tourneys

Whats the difference in what they offer?  I play both but bankroll may mean I can only choose 1.

if i were you i would be less nitty with the bankroll, but the difference is the videos the offer.... cardrunners are better for cash games, poker X Factor are better for tournaments.  Figure out what part of your game you need to improve, and go with that.


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: dino1980 on February 05, 2008, 12:32:18 PM
I'm a long time member of PXF and recent sub to CR. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but almost all if not every one of CRs videos is recorded live. PXF has a few live videos but most are done through a replayer:

Pros: The instructor can replay a hand many times and also go into indpeth analysis over why they did what they did. In the case of sheets and Stts there's a whole lecture series of using ICM and shoving ranges on the bubble

Cons: Takes longer to get through a mtt/stt series

Also PXF has a feature where you can upload your HHs and look back at them, and also it has a nice feature where you can see what players did in similar situations to you. And it also has a HH archive where HHs form Annette_15 and others can be accessed. Tbh this is a feature I don't use enough.

But as previously mentioned I think it boils down to Cash vs Mtts but if you want both then CR is the way to go.


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: julian on February 05, 2008, 02:52:21 PM
i'm no online angel...but cardrunners really helped my live game,
money well spent for sure


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: kinboshi on February 05, 2008, 03:09:06 PM
I'm a long time member of PXF and recent sub to CR. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but almost all if not every one of CRs videos is recorded live. PXF has a few live videos but most are done through a replayer:

I think you're right.  However, I also think that CR brought out a replayer recently.


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: Graham C on February 05, 2008, 03:22:20 PM
The CR Replayer is being worked on atm I think, shouldn't be far away if it's not there already

hmm seems it is live, best give it a bash later


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: kinboshi on February 05, 2008, 03:28:17 PM
The CR Replayer is being worked on atm I think, shouldn't be far away if it's not there already

hmm seems it is live, best give it a bash later

I've got a few via APAT that are on the replayer.  Think it's still in beta, as occasionally the cards don't show correctly, but otherwise, it's good.


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: Gryff on February 05, 2008, 04:13:50 PM
Cardrunners paid for itself on the first day of subscription for me.

I recommend watching

CTS
Brian Townsend ( sbrugby )
Stinger


I cant stress enough that if you watched all of the videos these three guys put out and have some discipline your game will improve 10x.

There are tons and tons of other good videos on there as well but for quality the players named above put it out time and time again as well as being genuine high stakes online superstars.



Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: Pab on February 05, 2008, 05:13:03 PM
I have used cardrunners for quite a while now, for improving certain parts of my cash game play. They try to offer a mix of 6 max, full rung and heads up games across the stakes and seem to do a pretty good job. My favourite videos to wacth are Green Plastics (taylor caby) for a few different reasons. Firstly he is a great player but his analysis is top draw, he talks through every situation in detail and also goes through some other hypothetical sitautions, eg, what he would do if he got 3 bet by player x. Also when nothing intersting is happening in the video, which if you have ever played cash games can be pretty regular, he talks about different aspects of the game in relation to away from the table which has helped me in the past.

I primarily use cardruners these days as I mainly play cash games, I did sign up to pokerxfactor when it first launched as I was playing a ton of tournaments and their analysis was also excellent. I havent watched cash games on xfactor or mtt's on cardrunners but I imagine that it would be in their best intrests to assure the highest quality videos.


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: totalise on February 05, 2008, 05:23:47 PM
the ActionJeff tourney videos on cardrunners are excellent, as are Adanthar tourney videos.


Title: Re: Cardrunners
Post by: Graham C on February 06, 2008, 12:04:59 AM
Aaron Beens are quality too, as are Zpacemans :D

I've never watched the high stakes players cash games as they are well out of my league, but I guess I should watch a few for the analysis.