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$1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:57:49 ET - 2008/02/06

Seat 1: ausrabbit ($143.05)
Seat 2: biggjohnny ($181.45)
Seat 3: HSV123 ($198)
Seat 4: NostraDonny ($95.10)
Seat 5: GuNNaDoITRT ($77)
Seat 6: Lattibeast ($156.90)
Seat 7: rlatjsdo ($278)
Seat 8: lbcee75 ($177.35)
Seat 9: Hero ($202.45)
rlatjsdo posts the small blind of $1
lbcee75 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kh Kd]
Hero raises to $7
ausrabbit folds
biggjohnny calls $7
HSV123 folds
NostraDonny folds
GuNNaDoITRT folds
Lattibeast calls $7
rlatjsdo folds
lbcee75 calls $5
*** FLOP *** [4d Qd 5d]
lbcee75 checks
Hero bets $29
biggjohnny raises to $100
Lattibeast folds
lbcee75 folds
Hero ? 

pushes? folds?

flop bet OOP multi way ok?

biggjohnny is 24/8/2 over small sample

Drawing dead to AdXd
Behind AdAx (if slowplayed and hoping for a squeeze play)
Behind 55 or 44, poss even QQ

Ahead of other PP's that may have flat called (though unlikely to repop to $100 IMO)
Ahead of AdQx or even AdXx

Given that only $36 committed I don't think you're beating that much where even another diamond will definitely save you so should fold

I prefer check/raise or check/call to bet/fold here. You have a bad stack size considering 3opponents and ur strongish but possibly totally screwed holding, by potting it ur pretty much hoping all 3 fold or someone raises so you can have a really tough decision, so it isn't worth it. By c/ring u can probably get money in from hands like Q Jd and other such rubbish. Bet/decisionaments ur more likely to win less from bad hands and be owned if you do get raised and decide to get it in, be opened up to bluffs and generally make mistakes. Am i making any sense?

I dont like the lead because it widens his flop raising range given you are a preflop raiser. I find 3 suited boards are ripe for bluffing at but he has commited a large portion of his stack with the flop bet. I get it in.

He is drawing dead to no hand here

Maybe its because im terrible at cash, but even the thought of folding here with a $204 and this flop astounds me.

I get it in very very fast.

The real question would appear if you had black kings imo.

True - it was early for me, but close to drawing dead

God i hate full ring hands cos everyone plays like a total nit.So sod it im going to give my advice like i would at 6 max.

I like the way tighty played it and im not checking this flop. Think you miss quite a bit of value from qx and the bare ace, plus for me to not cbet a flop after being the preflop raisor looks totally suss.

I get it in here, we would be super unlucky to be drawing dead. We are ahead some of the time and have 11 outs alot of the rest of the time giving us 40% equity.

I have a feeling the full ring players are going to disagree with me.

 ;iagree;

I'm for pushing, but only because I am going through an insanely aggressive phase which leads me to quite commonly make big errors, but also makes my opponents make errors as well.  He prob has AdQx or a baby flush maybe even 6d7d, so in the cold light of day its probably a fold.   

I fold this to most players on iPoker, it's almost always a set or a baby flush or  Ad Qs.

big hand big pot small hand small pot makes this a check on the flop for me

Is this one of them 'hindsight hands', were, in hindsight it seems like a fold makes sense more than at the time?  At the time of this hand the push all-in looks a lot more attractive than when analysing the hand now... Ive pushed in this spot too often without having a clear think...

But surely that makes it a call?

why?


Board: 4d Qd 5d
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    34.899%     34.90%    00.00%              6219            0.00   { KdKh }
Hand 1:    65.101%     65.10%    00.00%             11601            0.00   { QQ, 55-44, JdTd, Td9d, 9d8d, 8d7d, 7d6d, 3d2d, AdQc, AdQh, AdQs }

ty

I pushed without thinking really. On reflection afterwards I had second thoughts

Hero raises to $195.45, and is all in
biggjohnny calls $74.45, and is all in
Hero shows [Kh Kd]
biggjohnny shows [4c 4h]
Uncalled bet of $21 returned to Hero
*** TURN *** [4d Qd 5d] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [4d Qd 5d 6d] [2c]
Hero show a flush, King high
biggjohnny shows three of a kind, Fours
Hero wins the pot ($374.90) with a flush, King high

10/10?

yeah, tbh i cant see a hand ur beating that he would want to dance with, apart from AdQx. Probably a flop fold tbh. LOL @ the ppl thinking this is not a decision/you cant fold this hand. ITS FULL RING NUTPEDDLEFTWAMENTS.

ah yeah I should really start paying attention to that

yeah but i made it pretty clear when giving my advice, that im absolutely terrible at cash and im a mtt donk.

But, if this is the worst spot he could be in (cept' a made flush maybe), hes only a 35% dog anyway.

Horneris, will you play cash with me?

Ill play HU cash with you.  ;kev;

Lets say we are your opponent....if ive flopped the nut flush why would I reraise you on the flop???...makes no sense..I want as much out of you as possible and this is only the beggining..i dont want to chase u away.if the board pairs somewhere then im going to have re evaluate...a flopped nut flush smooth calls here hoping to rep the A diamonds and calling for the flush...what I would want is a brick on the turn so my opponent leads again...if im ur opponent.

No way i give him that hand.

The reraise here represents only one of 2 things...a big made hand afraid of the diamonds...i.e a set.....or an unmade hand with A diamonds

To fold here  though is ridiculous..if youre going to play that scared then dont play at all..

I push...u have a massive hand and massive potential hand put the pressure back on and give him the descion.  The modern game is all about pressure and lack of fear..if u lose..saddle up again and happy hunting

but I think...unless a lot of previous knowledge on said opponent...you are giving too much credit to your opponents at this level...the majority of 1-2 players are terrible .

lol this is from the only cash game player i know that is worse than me!!!!!!

the only decision you give him by going all in is how quick to click the call button whether he had a set or just Ad Xx

fine by me ...let him call... h8 folding when winning...sure fire formula for success

look at byron's analysis - it still isn't a call when you leave the nut flush out of the possible hands.  The only way you can call this is if you are fairly sure that villain has qxd in his range and you really won't find many full ring players calling genuine raises with QJo.