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** 40 BB Sit Down $2 / $4 [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Villain 1 sitting in seat 1 with $623.00
- Hero sitting in seat 2 with $1049.56
- Villain 2 sitting in seat 3 with $611.52
- seat 4 sitting in seat 4 with $677.20 [Dealer]
- seat 5 sitting in seat 5 with $394.00

seat 5 posted the small blind - $2.00
Villain 1 posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to hero:  Ad  Kd
Hero raised - $16.00
Villain 2 called - $16.00
seat 4 folded
seat 5 folded
Villain 1 called - $16.00

** Dealing the flop:  5s  Ahrt  2c

Villain 1 checked
hero bet - $25.00
Villain 2 called - $25.00
Villain 1 raise- $100.00


Villain one is 24/16/1.6 - so he's not particularly aggressive. but is c raising 2 players who could have big hands.

Villain 2 is 19/18/6.  One of the stats I show on PAHUD is how often players call raises.  This player does it very rarely -1%.  My image is TAG - so when he calls pre I think monster although I suppose it could have been a misclick.

I just c-bet half pot because the board is pretty dry, I often do this on dry boards so it shouldn't indicate weakness.

I might well have the best hand, but I'm not sure I want to use 150bbs to find out.

Thoughts?

the stats on both villains say you're behind here so they would make it a fold.

I still call and curse my luck though at being outdrawn and calling myself a donkey that should have known better than to call :)

You see a bluff here very rarely so fold, but i'd recommend betting more ($40ish) just so that if people are to bluff you then its more expensive for them to do so, as well as gaining more value from your hands.

Calling and raising both seemed pretty unattractive, so I passed.  Villain 2 folded as well so either he had misclicked preflop and was floating on the flop or had perhaps AQ.     

Fold given image and read.

same as wellchief. fold now, but bet more on flop next time. $25 is too low for value and information in the long run

Geeforce bets for information. The defence rests its case.

LONG LIVE THE INFORMATION BET!

But surely everybody bets for information? what other reason could there possibly be?

you bet for value, as a bluff or to protect your hand and when you do you clearly gain some information at the same time.

personally in the games i play your ahead against a villian that cant lay down AT or AJ even A8

i dont think your against A5 or A2 and surely a guy hitting a set will play along to get more off the ace on the turn and river

as apart from the wheel there are no draws out there

pedantic I know but probably important in some situations.

With villian 1 (who was the BB) c/r to $100 - what hands do you put him/her on to make this bet?

$100 into a $150 pot

A 2
A 5
2 5

Presumably?

I think a2 or a5 are the most likely as these are slightly vulnerable vs 2 opponents, altho he cld have a set and be trying to pot build in case the turn goes check check check. 

Where's flushy?

i am lost. did i say a bet soley for information? how do we make reads without information?

Just rely on blind luck like the rest of us :)

no, but combining a value bet with an informative probe was what ur getting at no?

information probe? u are completely missing my point and originally went about it with a lot of class. if on that flop u bet 4$ u gain no value OR information. ppl may play bk at ur weakness more, but it is impossible to know if this is with a better hand or not. when the bet is $40 some1 playing back at you holds more value. AND versus hands you do beat you lose value. IMO $25 has the same flaws (to a lot lesser extent) as the $4 example.

Not sure about this line, but hey not bothered, sure iv taken it the wrong way.

I agree with what you are saying. My view is that a larger bet gives you solid information on where you are in the hand to some degree, whilst also getting value from second rate hands (KQ/KJ).