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PokerStars Game #15406263405:  Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/02/19 - 18:48:49 (ET)
Table 'Kevo' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: rookieITB ($213.25 in chips)
Seat 2: frikki ($204.90 in chips)
Seat 3: ASanyasi ($203.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Bjarnimari ($77.45 in chips)
Seat 5: sihuynh ($267.10 in chips)
Seat 6: David.1706 ($148 in chips)
frikki: posts small blind $1
ASanyasi: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rookieITB [Kd Kc]
Bjarnimari: calls $2
sihuynh: folds
David.1706: calls $2
rookieITB: raises $8 to $10
frikki: folds
ASanyasi: calls $8
Bjarnimari: calls $8
David.1706: calls $8
*** FLOP *** [6h Js Qc]
ASanyasi: checks
Bjarnimari: checks
David.1706: checks
rookieITB: bets $20
ASanyasi: calls $20
Bjarnimari: folds
David.1706: folds
*** TURN *** [6h Js Qc] [4d]
ASanyasi: checks
rookieITB: checks
*** RIVER *** [6h Js Qc 4d] [4c]
ASanyasi: bets $173.40 and is all-in
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I thnik the 4 is a decent card for you  and the check on the turn has given him the idea that you are weaker than you are. River Overbets are always the nuts in my experiance tho. I am a caller but he prob shows 66.

Any read on our opponent?

These overbet shoves are normally the nuts and even though as Jezza say the 4 is a great card. I let it go and make a note.

No real read. We have been there 10 minutes and he has called a few raises, floated one flop and took it down on the turn, dont know if he had the goods there tho.

We got caught once early doors C-Betting into 3 oppo's to fold to a raise on the flop....

I think he probably bets the turn with a set , simply because he would want to get more money in the pot.

How badly have i played them up until the river also ?

Why do you check the turn?

QJ worries me.. Keep pot under control in position. (didnt really work out! pmsl)

Check Call flop, Check Raise turn is a line he could take with a set.

With no info I think I fold, but it wouldn't take much previous to get me to call.

Meh, i hate these spots, prolly my biggest leak. You so rarely see these overbets that are not huge hands and im inclined to think its a clear fold given the pot odds.
FWIW i think you played this optimally. Nice check on turn.

I bet this turn like 100% of the time, sod pot control, im taking my opponent to valuetown.

I don't like the check on the turn and I would love that 4. Easiest call I'll make in a long time on the River...and a very loud "F" if I find I was up against a set all along.

Stars?

Pass.

What do you put oppo on after he moves in on that river?

I may be off-beam here, dunno but I hate the check on the turn

gives him the chance to fire on the river thinking you are weak/have c-bet with air..so puts you in an awkward spot with, I suspect, the best hand

bet on turn and you have far clearer idea of where you are if you face the heavy artilllery there

If I don't have him on a set (I don't) I am only really worried about QJ, given that I might call and chalk it up to experience (again, having like many others learned that overbets on the river are usually nuts from players trying to get max payment from a hand they haven't got enough into the pot with earlier!)

If you are putting him on QJ then the 4 on the river is your cash card, call and then msn me and tell me that you run so bad cos the mug had JJ. :D

could he possibly be playing AQ this way ?

they dont do this with AQ. They know that the double 4 pairing off makes a big Q look stronger. The pot is $80, he's betting near twice that. Very player dependant as he could deffo be playing QJ like this, hoping you have AQ and think  you think your hand got stronger on the river.


he should realise that you are not cbetting weak/w air against 4 other players on such a wet board. Checking turn keeps the pot smaller in a fairly marginal spot. Remember, you were CALLED by 4 other players preflop. QJ/44/JJ are my immediate concern, in that order. Sadly it doesnt work out in this example, but thats not to say it doesnt make more money on the river when you get an easy call and not an inflated pot with a 1pair type hand. 

I timebanked for about 20 hours until i got your opinion, then called, he showed JJ so now you owe me $200... ;)

oooooooooooooohhhhhh he did have JJ .... im good !!

lol..

I like the turncheck fwiw. Tough spot on the river. I often make up my mind that I should fold while at the same time my right hand is chunking the stack off with a click of the mouse.