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Title: How much can i get out of him? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on February 20, 2008, 12:27:27 AM Ok, we've trap checked the river and he has fallen for it.. Now how much should we be raising here and what do we think he has to call with..
PokerStars Game #15406983887: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/02/19 - 19:22:26 (ET) Table 'Schwall II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: simona75 ($208.25 in chips) Seat 2: Daneilson ($403.05 in chips) Seat 4: LLMH ($63.90 in chips) Seat 5: TheBeachGirl ($891.50 in chips) Seat 6: rookieITB ($200 in chips) TheBeachGirl: posts small blind $1 rookieITB: posts big blind $2 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to rookieITB [6d 7d] simona75: folds Daneilson: calls $2 LLMH: folds TheBeachGirl: folds rookieITB: checks *** FLOP *** [Qc 5c 8d] rookieITB: checks Daneilson: bets $2 rookieITB: calls $2 *** TURN *** [Qc 5c 8d] [Jd] rookieITB: checks Daneilson: bets $6 rookieITB: calls $6 *** RIVER *** [Qc 5c 8d Jd] [9d] rookieITB: checks Daneilson: bets $17 Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: Longy on February 20, 2008, 12:37:59 AM I would raise at some point here, probably on the flop. Make it about 45/50 imo on the river.
Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: AlexMartin on February 20, 2008, 02:52:57 AM Yeah, i would have raised on the turn as its unusual to get any action on this river. Ur line looks a lot like a draw from villains perspective and ovb 67 got there. I would prolly have c/raised turn v most tags. As played i make a big craise to 50 and hope he has a hand that can call. I cant imagine him calling with much here though, id prolly toss sets v most tags that did this to me on a river.
Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on February 20, 2008, 04:42:12 AM Ok, if you KNOW that he has a 10 in his hand, for whatever reason, how much do you charge him ?
Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: TightEnd on February 20, 2008, 10:32:36 AM $48 in the pot
I've seen all-ins made here however I'd say $50-60 you want the 10 to have an element of doubt that he might be still ahead with a slight over-raise IMO Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: boldie on February 20, 2008, 10:34:45 AM Ok, if you KNOW that he has a 10 in his hand, for whatever reason, how much do you charge him ? he should pay 50$ ish if he has the ten, no? That would be my bet. Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: AlexMartin on February 20, 2008, 12:26:21 PM Ok, if you KNOW that he has a 10 in his hand, for whatever reason, how much do you charge him ? 50. Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: TheChipPrince on February 20, 2008, 12:29:49 PM I prefer the all-in to a small bet, but I make it $66, another $49...
Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on February 20, 2008, 04:19:25 PM I Was pretty certain when he bets the river he has the 10... So i make it 50 more and sure enough he insta calls, he had QT. And i was annoyed i should have shoved!
Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: ACE2M on February 20, 2008, 05:04:53 PM This really begs for a shove imo
Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: Longy on February 20, 2008, 06:44:48 PM Hmmm Zeeboing* him is a neat idea on non flush boards when you hold a nut straight over a bigger straight. Here I don't think he calls a shove, so yeah make it 50 and be happy.
* Zeebo theorem- Overshoving the river when you hold the pure nuts and you know your opponent won't fold big hands that are very much in his range. Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: ACE2M on February 20, 2008, 08:26:03 PM Hmmm Zeeboing* him is a neat idea on non flush boards when you hold a nut straight over a bigger straight. Here I don't think he calls a shove, so yeah make it 50 and be happy. * Zeebo theorem- Overshoving the river when you hold the pure nuts and you know your opponent won't fold big hands that are very much in his range. doesn't the fact that both straight and flush were backdoored add more zeebo value? Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: LuckyLloyd on February 21, 2008, 04:10:10 PM - $60 if he is a reg who we believe to be in anyway competent (they'll know that we never bluff shove here);
- shove if we never seen him before / think he could be bad; Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: action man on February 23, 2008, 01:11:25 PM im dwelling like 7 seconds and making a shove representing missed clubs, in villians eyes u have missed clubs and you wouldnt C/R the river with just the ten. I hate getting C/R on the river after making a value bet and sometimes foolishly look for hands that i can beat. If he does the same he is looking at missed clubs and call baby.
Title: Re: How much can i get out of him? Post by: AlexMartin on February 23, 2008, 04:06:58 PM im dwelling like 7 seconds and making a shove representing missed clubs, in villians eyes u have missed clubs and you wouldnt C/R the river with just the ten. I hate getting C/R on the river after making a value bet and sometimes foolishly look for hands that i can beat. If he does the same he is looking at missed clubs and call baby. people that bluff like this dont exist anymore. sigh. |