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Title: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: jpean on February 20, 2008, 03:51:11 AM Here is the situation...
PokerStars Game #15411160556: Tournament #78005798, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/02/19 - 22:41:40 (ET) Table '78005798 15' 9-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: Bigfoot9999 (4475 in chips) Seat 2: wanesworld 3 (5135 in chips) Seat 3: puffdannyp (9850 in chips) Seat 4: ChitownBK22 (3980 in chips) Seat 5: erskid00560 (7302 in chips) Seat 7: MTAD (4015 in chips) Seat 8: julienfetus (6565 in chips) ME Seat 9: Broncos#1 (4210 in chips) julienfetus: posts small blind 75 Broncos#1: posts big blind 150 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to julienfetus [6h 9s] Bigfoot9999: calls 150 wanesworld 3: folds puffdannyp: folds ChitownBK22: folds erskid00560: calls 150 MTAD: calls 150 julienfetus: calls 75 Broncos#1: checks *** FLOP *** [3h 8c 9h] julienfetus: bets 450 Broncos#1: folds Bigfoot9999: folds erskid00560: folds MTAD: calls 450 *** TURN *** [3h 8c 9h] [Qc] julienfetus: bets 1500 MTAD: calls 1500 *** RIVER *** [3h 8c 9h Qc] [5d] julienfetus: checks MTAD: bets 1915 and is all-in That player was for a long time on the table, but I have not succeed in having some real information about him... What would you do ??? Title: Re: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on February 20, 2008, 03:57:24 AM I check fold the turn, I fold the river too,... T J ?
Title: Re: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on February 20, 2008, 03:57:47 AM If he missed his flush then he deserves it!
Title: Re: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: jpean on February 20, 2008, 03:59:15 AM Sorry, I use to mark my action puting them bold...
I edit my first post... Title: Re: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: Longy on February 20, 2008, 03:59:42 AM I would fold preflop, this discussion about completing from the sb has been had before on here and i still belive in folding rags here.
Leading out is ok on the flop. I would check the turn once i have been called on the flop, our hand is often not good here and we don't get pushed off it by many worse hands on this turn. The river is pretty ugly we are getting over 3 to 1 but I hate our hand. The only hand you really are beating is a busted flush draw or 67, do they make up enough of villains range im not sure. Hell i flip a coin and then decide im a nit and fold, but its close. You should never really have put yourself in this situation, the mistakes were made earlier in the hand imo. Title: Re: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: jpean on February 20, 2008, 04:03:08 AM In fact, I have put him on the flush draw and have called him (only with the correct read), puting him out...
but maybe some calls could be disastrous in the long term...??? Title: Re: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: jpean on February 20, 2008, 04:22:05 AM Longy...
Where can I find that dicussion aboult completing or not the SB ??? Title: Re: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on February 20, 2008, 04:36:04 AM In fact, I have put him on the flush draw and have called him (only with the correct read), puting him out... Well done, did you want our opinions or just a brag ?? Title: Re: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: jpean on February 20, 2008, 04:37:16 AM I would have liked your opinion... because calling on a read, I'm not sure it is always good to do...
Title: Re: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on February 20, 2008, 04:41:12 AM You got my opinion, and Longy's, totally ignored them and bragged about your call!
Title: Re: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: jpean on February 20, 2008, 04:44:32 AM I' was not bragging...
After having read you I've urdestand that I could having been right, but with a draw with Qh 7h or 6h 7h, I would have lost the hand... sonot enough chips to continue the tourney... Title: Re: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: scotty2hatty on February 20, 2008, 09:29:49 AM You got my opinion, and Longy's, totally ignored them and bragged about your call! Perhaps being a bit harsh Rookie. He seems to take on what has been said and has asked for a thread about not completing from the sb. He then has simply told us the results. Hardly a brag. Title: Re: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: Longy on February 20, 2008, 06:29:56 PM Longy... Where can I find that dicussion aboult completing or not the SB ??? Meh, this was the hand I was thinking of. It appears it wasn't so much a discussion, just Boldie saying he would shoot me, lol. http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=26492.0 Title: Re: Calling All-in on the river ??? Post by: Grier78 on February 21, 2008, 11:32:35 PM The reason you should almost never complete from the small blind is that you will always have the worst position in subsequent betting rounds.
As an example lets re-run the hand but with you having position on him, lets say him on small blind you on big blind. He completes on the small blind and you check. Flop comes down 3h 8c 9h. He checks, you bet 450, he calls. This looks weak by him and youcan easily put him on a flush draw at this level. Turn Qc. He checks, you bet 1500, he calls. He is now either very weak or very strong (at this level probably very weak). River 5d. Because he has missed his draw and because you haven't shown weakness by checking he will probably check now and then you can also check and take down the pot. If he does go all in here then it is easier to call him because the river is a blank and he has shown weakness all the way. Obviously he could play this differently, but the key point is that when you have position you can get far more information and put more pressure on your opponent. Also to note that your bets were so big on each street that if he did have a big hand then you were doing all the hardwork for him and he can just call knowing that he is going to get fully paid off. If you had position on him then he would have to try harder to get your chips in the middle and make his hand more obvious and give you a chance to get away from it. From the small blind if you fold everything apart from AA and KK then you wont be going far wrong, ignore the fact that you have had to put chips in the middle, just treat it as a cost of playing a round. Save your chips and use them to raise when you are on the button and steal someone else's small and big blind. |