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Title: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: boldie on February 20, 2008, 03:55:00 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080220/tpl-uk-britain-immigration-39349ed_2.html

Pasted for those who don't want to click the link...

Highlighted the truly stupendous parts.


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Probation planned for aspiring citizens
By Katherine Baldwin Reuters - 2 hours 35 minutes agoLONDON (Reuters) - Aspiring British citizens will be put on probation for at least one year to show they can speak English, pay taxes and abide by the law, the government said on Wednesday, in its latest move to control immigration.


Obtaining a British passport will take at least six years instead of five for highly skilled or skilled workers and migrants will only have access to full benefits once they have passed probation, under new plans presented to parliament.

Migrants who cannot show they have integrated into their local community -- through voluntary work or fund-raising for example -- will have to wait for three years before they can apply for citizenship.

The changes aim to entice migrants to apply for citizenship and integrate more fully into Britain, while clamping down on those who "languish in limbo" by living in Britain but not adapting to the local way of life.

"It is fair to expect people to pay their way, to play by the rules, to speak our language and contribute to the community," said Home Secretary Jacqui Smith.

Members of the European Economic Area (EEA) are exempt from the new rules.

The changes respond to public concern over the growing number of migrants to Britain following the expansion of the European Union.


As in other European countries and the United States, immigration is a major election issue. Britons fear migrants are overstretching public services and benefits.

"At a time of change we've responded to reassure Britain about the way in which we can control migration," said Smith.

Migrants will also be asked to contribute to a new fund to help communities cope with growing migration. Migrants deemed to be a greater burden on public services -- such as children or elderly relatives -- will pay more than others.

Britain has already made changes to its immigration system to control the number of incomers.

In March, a new Australian-style points system will come into operation that will measure people on their talents. Other changes include a single border force to guard ports and airports and the fingerprinting of all visa applicants.

"The next stage of reform is to make sure those who want to make Britain their home understand the deal that goes with British citizenship," said Smith.

People who break the law during the probation period will have their path to citizenship slowed or halted, depending on the gravity of the offence.

"If they cannot play by the rules their journey should be halted or slowed down," Smith added.

Migrants who do not want full British citizenship can remain as permanent residents, but they must stay on probation for three years -- on top of the initial temporary residence period -- before being granted indefinite leave to remain.


Now for the stupid parts;

1; People from the EEA countries are exempt (as they have to be by law) but this is a "response to the expansion of the EU"

Does anyone know the list of EEA countries?...If not have a look here;


http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTD004113.html

If you don't want to click the link..most Eastern European countries (Like Hungary and Poland) are already in there...so...what's this a response to again? The Eastern Europeans are exempt.

Stupid point nr2;

Contributing to a special fund and the young and elderly pay more towards the fund because "they are deemed a greater burden"... anti-discrimination laws anyone? Why would an immigrant have to pay more towards a special fund if they already pay tax? (which is the whole point of the excersise if you believe the article)

So what is the point of this plan other than to placate the right wing element (and only the unthinking ones at that as the ones that can read will surely also think this plan is a bit strange)? Once more it's nothing more than a ploy to grab a cheap headline on the back of immigrants in an attempt to gather votes and look tough, without actually doing anything.





Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: TightEnd on February 20, 2008, 04:02:07 PM
Marvellous.

On behalf of the  /:-|, thanks  ::) ;surrender;


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: M3boy on February 20, 2008, 04:16:51 PM
One in one out policy

;)

FROM THE START THAT IS!!

 ;hide;


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: sledge13 on February 20, 2008, 04:21:13 PM
Yay  ;nana;


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: booder on February 20, 2008, 04:30:32 PM
hang em


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: boldie on February 20, 2008, 04:44:47 PM
One in one out policy

;)

FROM THE START THAT IS!!

 ;hide;

lol


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: ifm on February 20, 2008, 06:03:05 PM
Hardly knee jerk!!!!!
Too little wayyyyyyyyyyyy too late.
Close the borders now i say.


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: Horneris on February 20, 2008, 06:38:03 PM
Hardly knee jerk!!!!!
Too little wayyyyyyyyyyyy too late.
Close the borders now i say.

 ;iagree;


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: sledge13 on February 20, 2008, 06:41:25 PM
This small island was too crowded 10 years ago let alone now...you cant just keep letting 100s arrive every day. Its a mess...


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: Claw75 on February 20, 2008, 06:52:16 PM
send the midgets back to Germany


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: sledge13 on February 20, 2008, 10:14:11 PM
 rotflmfao


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: relaedgc on February 21, 2008, 07:02:16 AM
If the welfare system encouraged people to go out and work as opposed to live off the state, we might find less people coming over to milk the system.

I resent having to work hard for my living so someone else can do nothing. I understand that on the whole, that is not the purpose, but I also know that a large portion of those claiming are doing so illegally by using false reasons or pure laziness. Not to mention those that outright manipulate the system.

Amazing, really, that the country we used as a dumping ground for convicts now has us all flocking out there to escape here. The irony.


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: boldie on February 21, 2008, 08:02:25 AM
send the midgets back to Germany

racist!


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: Snatiramas on February 21, 2008, 10:43:53 AM
send the midgets back to Germany

racist!

heightist


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: boldie on February 21, 2008, 10:52:18 AM

yeah that too!


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: K9sixtwo on February 21, 2008, 12:48:04 PM
Well the Poles ,to be fair, worked damned hard.. There downfall is drink.. and by God they can drink.. A number of other Eastern European countries residents that turn up here are happy to beg and scrounge.. Others i.e. Iraqi Kurds and Afghans (people not dogs) make me despair.. "welcome to the land of milk and honey" i sometimes say to them as they emerge from the back of a lorry.. 99% of them dont speak any English except "ashhylumm"
Now call me old fashioned, but if you are in fear of your life ,for some reason ..lets say Trainspotters had becme a persecuted breed..then they  leave England and go to France, Ireland or Holland, countries that abutt onto this green and overcrowded land, you DONT travel half way round the world in the back of a lorry though about six countries before turning up in the country of choice due to the welfare system.. Bearing in mind to pay the people trafficers at the moment cost about $4000-$6000 to get over here.. A few years ago the average cost was $10,000 but its so competative now the price has fallen. Cant pay ? then you end up in virtual slavery if your a man or prostitutuion if your a woman. Get caught and its on the plane back home with $$$ in your pocket to soften the blow.. then its back to Bighty again in the back of a lorry.. have a look at Old Bailey online to see how they dealt with returnees from deprtation many many years ago!

However dont get me wrong.. As stated in the beggining the Poles work damned hard, it really does get my panties in a bunch when I speak to some British Half wit and ask there occupation "I'm on the sick" usually said through a fug of ciggarette smoke "On the sick?? i didn't realise thats an occupation now!" i reply.. "I suffer with anxiety.." I ask "can you spell that please ?" cometh the reply"Nah i dont even know what it means but the doctor says it must be anxiety cause he cant find anything else wrong.."
People of this country are as bad at being idle scroungers as some of the imported scroungers.. And of course this is a topic that we can't talk about as we might upset sensibiliites and it's only a short hop skip and a jump from that position to being branded a racist and then we stop talking about it again..

The projection is that in the near future this country will have 90,000,000 people living here thats up 1/3.. I can hardly move /see the doctor/get a dentist/summon an ambulance/call the police/find peace and quiet at the moment...imagine what it will be like with that many people trying to live here, I really do despair for my children. 


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: sledge13 on February 21, 2008, 02:25:19 PM
Exactly, so obv not a kneejerk reaction!


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: Claw75 on February 21, 2008, 02:29:54 PM
Jeez - how many stereotypes is it possible to get in to one post?!


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: cia260895 on February 21, 2008, 02:34:44 PM
Jeez - how many stereotypes is it possible to get in to one post?!

4727.5??


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: ifm on February 21, 2008, 02:40:11 PM
I think you'll find that builders begrudge the poles........


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: kinboshi on February 21, 2008, 02:41:27 PM
I think you'll find that builders begrudge the poles........

Not the Polish ones.


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: Claw75 on February 21, 2008, 02:42:14 PM
I think you'll find that builders begrudge the poles........

No the Polish ones.

no - they are all too pissed to care, apparently :D


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: kinboshi on February 21, 2008, 02:42:52 PM
This small island was too crowded 10 years ago let alone now...you cant just keep letting 100s arrive every day. Its a mess...

This planet is over-crowded by approximately 1 billion people.

Your suggestion?


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: boldie on February 21, 2008, 02:44:30 PM
This small island was too crowded 10 years ago let alone now...you cant just keep letting 100s arrive every day. Its a mess...

This planet is over-crowded by approximately 1 billion people.

Your suggestion?


Kill all Scots! (except the Lovely MrsBoldie and her Gran)


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: sledge13 on February 21, 2008, 03:12:58 PM
All go to Spain...see ya!


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: Dingdell on February 21, 2008, 03:20:16 PM
Just rented one of my flats to a woman and her son who have popped over from Poland. She doesn't speak a word of english, and is on benefits which pay for the rent on my flat which help pay towards the mortgage. On behalf of myself and my pension fund I would like to thank you, the tax paying public (apart from the poker pro's ovbiously) for helping me build my financial future.   ;D


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: boldie on February 21, 2008, 03:21:22 PM
Just rented one of my flats to a woman and her son who have popped over from Poland. She doesn't speak a word of english, and is on benefits which pay for the rent on my flat which help pay towards the mortgage. On behalf of myself and my pension fund I would like to thank you, the tax paying public (apart from the poker pro's ovbiously) for helping me build my financial future.   ;D

See?..everybody wins!


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: cia260895 on February 21, 2008, 03:24:28 PM
Just rented one of my flats to a woman and her son who have popped over from Poland. She doesn't speak a word of english, and is on benefits which pay for the rent on my flat which help pay towards the mortgage. On behalf of myself and my pension fund I would like to thank you, the tax paying public (apart from the poker pro's ovbiously) for helping me build my financial future.   ;D

got a bulgarian single mum in mine


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: boldie on February 21, 2008, 03:36:08 PM
Just rented one of my flats to a woman and her son who have popped over from Poland. She doesn't speak a word of english, and is on benefits which pay for the rent on my flat which help pay towards the mortgage. On behalf of myself and my pension fund I would like to thank you, the tax paying public (apart from the poker pro's ovbiously) for helping me build my financial future.   ;D

got a bulgarian single mum in mine

yeah but the Polish one pays Dingdell rent so that's an investment ;)


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: sledge13 on February 21, 2008, 03:40:35 PM
My parents rent two houses out...one to Polish and one to Chinese... on yes you guessed it benefits!

So glad I dont pay tax anymore!  ;ifm;


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: kinboshi on February 21, 2008, 04:07:18 PM
My parents rent two houses out...one to Polish and one to Chinese... on yes you guessed it benefits!

So glad I dont pay tax anymore!  ;ifm;

What difference does it make if they were born in England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Poland, China, Iraq, or Somalia?


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: sledge13 on February 21, 2008, 04:12:00 PM
Obv it dont matter...but its more people who shouldnt have just been allowed to claim benefits and not work, but they rent our property so thats fine...


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: Acidmouse on February 21, 2008, 04:22:23 PM
It's ok as long as its beneficial to you :)


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: sledge13 on February 21, 2008, 04:27:19 PM
Well that was kinda of the punchline....


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: kinboshi on February 21, 2008, 04:28:27 PM
Obv it dont matter...but its more people who shouldnt have just been allowed to claim benefits and not work, but they rent our property so thats fine...

Maybe they're claiming benefits for a valid reason?


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: sledge13 on February 21, 2008, 05:10:58 PM
Maybe they not?


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: kinboshi on February 21, 2008, 05:29:27 PM
Maybe they not?

But there country of birth is irrelevant, is it not?

;)



Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: Claw75 on February 21, 2008, 05:30:44 PM
Maybe they not?

But there country of birth is irrelevant, is it not?

;)



this is a thread about immigrants - of course it's relevant! :D


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: kinboshi on February 21, 2008, 05:32:45 PM
Maybe they not?

But there country of birth is irrelevant, is it not?

;)



this is a thread about immigrants - of course it's relevant! :D

My parents rent two houses out...one to Polish and one to Chinese... on yes you guessed it benefits!

So glad I dont pay tax anymore!  ;ifm;

Was in relation to that post.


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: Claw75 on February 21, 2008, 05:35:50 PM
I think the point Sledge was trying to make was that immigrants are coming over here and liiving off taxpayers money via handouts.  They can't win really, people used to complain about them coming over here and taking our jobs!


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: kinboshi on February 21, 2008, 05:55:44 PM
I think the point Sledge was trying to make was that immigrants are coming over here and liiving off taxpayers money via handouts.  They can't win really, people used to complain about them coming over here and taking our jobs!

I know.  I was playing devil's advocate.

The thing is why should someone be entitled to anything just because they fell out of the womb in a different place to someone else.


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: Claw75 on February 21, 2008, 06:14:52 PM
  I was playing devil's advocate.
me too :)


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: cia260895 on February 21, 2008, 07:39:53 PM
Just rented one of my flats to a woman and her son who have popped over from Poland. She doesn't speak a word of english, and is on benefits which pay for the rent on my flat which help pay towards the mortgage. On behalf of myself and my pension fund I would like to thank you, the tax paying public (apart from the poker pro's ovbiously) for helping me build my financial future.   ;D

got a bulgarian single mum in mine

yeah but the Polish one pays Dingdell rent so that's an investment ;)

So does mine + 75% of whatever she earns ;)


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: boldie on February 22, 2008, 09:37:57 AM
I think the point Sledge was trying to make was that immigrants are coming over here and liiving off taxpayers money via handouts.  They can't win really, people used to complain about them coming over here and taking our jobs!

AND YOUR WOMEN! .:) :) :)  ;yippee; ;yippee; ;sark; ;sark; ;cupcake; ;cheerleader;


Title: Re: another stupid kneejerk reaction brought to you by your govt.
Post by: sledge13 on February 22, 2008, 09:40:27 PM
Oh and Turkey joining the EU next year and 1 million immigrants will instantly arrive in England...but its ok because im one of the one out people....