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Title: High Stakes Poker Post by: Chipleader on February 24, 2008, 11:42:57 AM Any1 know if there is gonna be a new season of HSP soon? there is usually one before the world series!
Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: LeKnave on February 24, 2008, 11:44:31 AM yeah supposed to be filming in may-ish and will probs air in october again.
Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Gryff on February 24, 2008, 01:58:41 PM Unfortunately because the WPT got picked up by GSN the next series wont air until the WPT season is finished later in the year.
Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Chipleader on February 24, 2008, 03:02:00 PM ya but isnt HSP GSN's most sucessful programe? surely it should get priority?
and is it going back to $100,000 or staying at $500,000 Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: bhoywonder on February 24, 2008, 03:22:47 PM looking forward to the next series myself
don't care much for the WPT programme,I reckon its the worst poker telly of the lot and havent watched it for years without doubt HSP is the best on the box right now Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: LeKnave on February 24, 2008, 07:52:32 PM ya but isnt HSP GSN's most sucessful programe? surely it should get priority? and is it going back to $100,000 or staying at $500,000 personally i hope it goes back to just $100K, much more action and the players will happily gamble their stacks at the stake. esp with the 72 game. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: totalise on February 24, 2008, 08:02:22 PM I hope they have some of the skandi sickos like Ziigmund or Nebuchad on the next series, they are awesome to watch. Ziigmund might well be my favourite poker player in history
Also, petition to get bluescouse on the show? 1000 people shipping $200 each for a couple off buyins, we can make it work!! Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Gryff on February 24, 2008, 08:24:13 PM ya but isnt HSP GSN's most sucessful programe? surely it should get priority? and is it going back to $100,000 or staying at $500,000 personally i hope it goes back to just $100K, much more action and the players will happily gamble their stacks at the stake. esp with the 72 game. I really disagree, deeper stacks is much more interesting, if you want to watch smallstacks flips and races then just stick to tournament poker on TV. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Chipleader on February 24, 2008, 08:56:26 PM ya but every1 is scared in the $500,000 game as we saw with benjamine!
wat i never got is why negreanu sat with $1million dollars in the first season and wen its 500,000 he only sits with minimum! Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: bhoywonder on February 24, 2008, 09:00:42 PM ya but every1 is scared in the $500,000 game as we saw with benjamine! wat i never got is why negreanu sat with $1million dollars in the first season and wen its 500,000 he only sits with minimum! so he could use bully tactics and force pots cant do that on the big buy in Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Royal Flush on February 24, 2008, 09:08:15 PM ya but every1 is scared in the $500,000 game as we saw with benjamine! wat i never got is why negreanu sat with $1million dollars in the first season and wen its 500,000 he only sits with minimum! so he could use bully tactics and force pots cant do that on the big buy in lolaments Bullying in cash games because you have more chips is a fallacy. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Chipleader on February 24, 2008, 09:11:39 PM ya i know it is and i dont say he shud but just dont understand his logic
Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Chipleader on February 24, 2008, 09:16:46 PM I hope they have some of the skandi sickos like Ziigmund or Nebuchad on the next series, they are awesome to watch. Ziigmund might well be my favourite poker player in history Also, petition to get bluescouse on the show? 1000 people shipping $200 each for a couple off buyins, we can make it work!! id rather get flushy to do that and have ariston's 'sponsors' to put him in and have them sat next to each other Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Gryff on February 24, 2008, 09:27:00 PM ya but every1 is scared in the $500,000 game as we saw with benjamine! wat i never got is why negreanu sat with $1million dollars in the first season and wen its 500,000 he only sits with minimum! Yes he was very scared. YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzxdx_swWeI Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Hairydude on February 24, 2008, 09:59:55 PM lol he really was tho after he got the call
Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Gryff on February 24, 2008, 10:08:56 PM lol he really was tho after he got the call He realised he'd misread Guy and made a terrible play but he certainly wasnt afraid to put $600k in the middle with a flushdraw vs the table station. I don't think that can be defined as playing scared poker, or be made a reason for making it a $100k flipfest so people who enjoy WPT/WSOP can follow HSP. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Hairydude on February 24, 2008, 10:30:18 PM I know I'm not sayin he played scared poker, but what I am sayin was he was bricking it after he received the call as he knew he was well behind-gabe kaplan even said it-he looked sick to the stomach!!!
I love this programme-best poker show Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: LeKnave on February 25, 2008, 05:37:45 AM ya but isnt HSP GSN's most sucessful programe? surely it should get priority? and is it going back to $100,000 or staying at $500,000 personally i hope it goes back to just $100K, much more action and the players will happily gamble their stacks at the stake. esp with the 72 game. I really disagree, deeper stacks is much more interesting, if you want to watch smallstacks flips and races then just stick to tournament poker on TV. The hands in the 100K buy in min are still easily deep enough to be interesting, look at the antonio/benyamine one J2 vs 34. Everyone is just bricking them in the 500K show, eg Benyamine with the A8c and Antonio being a nit. Everyone has much more gamble in the 100K min and they're willing to risk a buy in on a huge move, just look at the contrast between 100K antonio and 500K antonio. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Gryff on February 25, 2008, 11:12:31 AM Quote from: LeKnave The hands in the 100K buy in min are still easily deep enough to be interesting, look at the antonio/benyamine one J2 vs 34. Everyone is just bricking them in the 500K show, eg Benyamine with the A8c and Antonio being a nit. Everyone has much more gamble in the 100K min and they're willing to risk a buy in on a huge move, just look at the contrast between 100K antonio and 500K antonio. There are other issues that cause him to tighten up, he's done it before on previous seasons - namely when gus hansen and daniel negreaneu had position on him, he even joked about it on season 2 or 3. This session in the 500k Sammy Farha, David Benyamina and Patrik Antonious were sat in that order behind him, and he had position on Barry and Doyle. Even when Guy was at the table he still had to worry about the guys behind him threebetting him whenever he iso-raised guy. Do you really think he felt that was a profitable spot to be in at all? He was nitting it up but staying there for TV exposure. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: LeKnave on February 25, 2008, 11:25:50 AM be made a reason for making it a $100k flipfest so people who enjoy WPT/WSOP can follow HSP. LOL@ 100K buy in being a 'flipfest'. Theres been 3.5 seasons of 100K min, and its hardly been all in preflop at all. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: boldie on February 25, 2008, 12:20:11 PM I am starting to come round to the idea that it's all rigged on HSP. Can't remember where I read the article about HSP being a marketing gimmick just to give the names more exposure and I reckon the guy had a point.
Back to 100k for me as it makes a better show. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2008, 12:51:18 PM I am starting to come round to the idea that it's all rigged on HSP. Can't remember where I read the article about HSP being a marketing gimmick just to give the names more exposure and I reckon the guy had a point. Back to 100k for me as it makes a better show. Not a chance is it rigged- it would come out if there was an there would be an absolute outcry such is the popularity of poker these days. Also, if it was rigged then even just in that last clip Benyamine must have studied drama at Rada as you can see he is clearly brickin it after Guy Lalibertes call Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: boldie on February 25, 2008, 01:14:58 PM I am starting to come round to the idea that it's all rigged on HSP. Can't remember where I read the article about HSP being a marketing gimmick just to give the names more exposure and I reckon the guy had a point. Back to 100k for me as it makes a better show. Not a chance is it rigged- it would come out if there was an there would be an absolute outcry such is the popularity of poker these days. Also, if it was rigged then even just in that last clip Benyamine must have studied drama at Rada as you can see he is clearly brickin it after Guy Lalibertes call not "rigged" rigged..my bad that..but i am coming round to the idea that noone will actually go bust on that show. Do those guys really have the bankroll to play in that game? 500k$ sit down against the best players in the world where their edge (if any) is very small at best? I doubt it...it either isn't their own money or they're giving eachother money back...or..they are all idiots who have poor game selection :) Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Longy on February 25, 2008, 01:31:12 PM Lol Boldie HSP is one of the softest $300/600 games you will ever find. With people like Jamie Gold, Guy and other no mark rich guys who want to be on TV in the line up, there is tonnes of value in it for the top bracket players like Antoninus.
Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: boldie on February 25, 2008, 02:11:17 PM Lol Boldie HSP is one of the softest $300/600 games you will ever find. With people like Jamie (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=839) Gold (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=839), Guy and other no mark rich guys who want to be on TV in the line up, there is tonnes of value in it for the top bracket players like Antoninus. untill I see Kin sitting at that table I doubt it's a truly soft game ;)..but you raise a fair point. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Royal Flush on February 25, 2008, 02:43:18 PM Boldie some of the players are deffo involved with each other, i am willing to be there are savers between Barry and Doyle for example, most of them will be spreading the risk in an attempt to skint the likes of Guy, Gold and Sammy.
Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: ariston on February 25, 2008, 02:52:23 PM I agree with flushy (shock horror). I would say a few of them are chopping after the show to cover losses/split wins. It is well publiced that a couple of the players on the show had "shareholders" or partners backing them. If you watch all the series you will notice a couple of the players dont tangle in pots- I aint saying they softplay but the money doesnt seem to get in the middle between certain players.
I hope it goes back to 100k as there seemed to be more play in it imo and we saw some poker instead of waiting for big hand v big hand. They all seemed to rock up a lot more in the 500k buyin. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: tikay on February 25, 2008, 02:57:42 PM Boldie, Flushy & Ariston are all on the right lines, which I floated over a year ago. Anyone who thinks that what they see on HSP is what they get is just plain gullible. IMHO, of course, I hastily add. But look at those wedges of cash on the table, as big as house-bricks, ooooohhhh. What big cocks they must all have. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: sledge13 on February 25, 2008, 03:00:33 PM rotflmfao
Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: mondatoo on February 25, 2008, 03:14:55 PM I enjoyed both 100k and 500k games and the 72 game was class. Look forward to the next series airirng its definitly best tv poker.
Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Chipleader on February 25, 2008, 03:30:40 PM Boldie, Flushy & Ariston are all on the right lines, which I floated over a year ago. Anyone who thinks that what they see on HSP is what they get is just plain gullible. IMHO, of course, I hastily add. But look at those wedges of cash on the table, as big as house-bricks, ooooohhhh. What big cocks they must all have. ya but i bet doyle didnt have to borrow £6 from antonio for fish and chips eih flushy? Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2008, 03:31:24 PM I absolutely love this programme but if has been mentioned-they are splitting profits/losses between each other it really does affect the integrity of the game-all top players like Brunson and greenstein constantly bemoaned the lack of recognition as poker being an intellectual, inteliggent sport instead of the shady tag it used to have in dingy, dodgy backrooms! but if they are doing what is said it is so hypocritical as although they might not mean to soft play they will naturally collude without actually colluding if you know what I mean
Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: boldie on February 25, 2008, 04:20:51 PM I absolutely love this programme but if has been mentioned-they are splitting profits/losses between each other it really does affect the integrity of the game-all top players like Brunson and greenstein constantly bemoaned the lack of recognition as poker being an intellectual, inteliggent sport instead of the shady tag it used to have in dingy, dodgy backrooms! but if they are doing what is said it is so hypocritical as although they might not mean to soft play they will naturally collude without actually colluding if you know what I mean There is no reason for those top guys to play eachother in a game they can't afford to play..The only reason they play this show is to get exposure so why would they lay all their real money on the table? It simply doesn't make sense and any poker player that does this on a regular basis (play WAY outside his bankroll against top-class opposition only) will go bust. They want to sell their books, their poker rooms and their reputation as "a name player". We have guys playing a 500k sit down game who all year round are sponsored into 10k events! The 10k events gets them MUCH less exposure and most of them aren't even all that successfull in them on a regular bases. What on earth makes anyone think that the 500k is their own money? It's the best poker show on telly/the internet but it's a show and that's all it is, me thinks. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: AlexMartin on February 25, 2008, 04:22:56 PM Even if its fake, its miles ahead of any other show out there. I would prolly just watch the commentators chatting, gabe is my hero.
And the edge the decent players have in that game is incredible. Imagine finding a game that soft on the internet. Patrik>Daniel>Barry>Gus>Antonio>Doyle>Sammy>Benyadonk>Doyle>Gee>Gold IMO. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: tikay on February 25, 2008, 04:24:08 PM I absolutely love this programme but if has been mentioned-they are splitting profits/losses between each other it really does affect the integrity of the game-all top players like Brunson and greenstein constantly bemoaned the lack of recognition as poker being an intellectual, inteliggent sport instead of the shady tag it used to have in dingy, dodgy backrooms! but if they are doing what is said it is so hypocritical as although they might not mean to soft play they will naturally collude without actually colluding if you know what I mean There is no reason for those top guys to play eachother in a game they can't afford to play..The only reason they play this show is to get exposure so why would they lay all their real money on the table? It simply doesn't make sense and any poker player that does this on a regular basis (play WAY outside his bankroll against top-class opposition only) will go bust. They want to sell their books, their poker rooms and their reputation as "a name player". We have guys playing a 500k sit down game who all year round are sponsored into 10k events! The 10k events gets them MUCH less exposure and most of them aren't even all that successfull in them on a regular bases. What on earth makes anyone think that the 500k is their own money? It's the best poker show on telly/the internet but it's a show and that's all it is, me thinks. Spot-On. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: AlexMartin on February 25, 2008, 04:26:42 PM I absolutely love this programme but if has been mentioned-they are splitting profits/losses between each other it really does affect the integrity of the game-all top players like Brunson and greenstein constantly bemoaned the lack of recognition as poker being an intellectual, inteliggent sport instead of the shady tag it used to have in dingy, dodgy backrooms! but if they are doing what is said it is so hypocritical as although they might not mean to soft play they will naturally collude without actually colluding if you know what I mean There is no reason for those top guys to play eachother in a game they can't afford to play..The only reason they play this show is to get exposure so why would they lay all their real money on the table? It simply doesn't make sense and any poker player that does this on a regular basis (play WAY outside his bankroll against top-class opposition only) will go bust. They want to sell their books, their poker rooms and their reputation as "a name player". We have guys playing a 500k sit down game who all year round are sponsored into 10k events! The 10k events gets them MUCH less exposure and most of them aren't even all that successfull in them on a regular bases. What on earth makes anyone think that the 500k is their own money? It's the best poker show on telly/the internet but it's a show and that's all it is, me thinks. Seriously? Normally 3 fish on every table. Admittedly 500k is outside of their bankroll so obv backers. But 100k? I reckong they are all rolled for 100k games. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Royal Flush on February 25, 2008, 04:33:19 PM Even if its fake, its miles ahead of any other show out there. I would prolly just watch the commentators chatting, gabe is my hero. And the edge the decent players have in that game is incredible. Imagine finding a game that soft on the internet. Patrik>Daniel>Barry>Gus>Antonio>Doyle>Sammy>Benyadonk>Doyle>Gee>Gold IMO. lol @ gee>gold lol @ sammy>benyadonk lol@ gus>antonio Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Hairydude on February 25, 2008, 04:44:31 PM why do you think it is so outwith their bankroll??? its a lot of dough but it would mean you would need a bankroll of at least £10million- I reckon Doyle, Negraneu, Greenstein, Gold obviously all the superich company owners would have this kinda cash(or at least be worth with assets and future expected earnings from cash outwith winnings)!
Before HSP was the 'Big Game'(not including the andy beale games) not played at levels of $100k-$500k?? Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Longy on February 25, 2008, 05:14:34 PM Even if its fake, its miles ahead of any other show out there. I would prolly just watch the commentators chatting, gabe is my hero. And the edge the decent players have in that game is incredible. Imagine finding a game that soft on the internet. Patrik>Daniel>Barry>Gus>Antonio>Doyle>Sammy>Benyadonk>Doyle>Gee>Gold IMO. lol @ gee>gold lol @ sammy>benyadonk lol@ gus>antonio If we are talking about ratings, my thoughts would be something like this. Patrik Barry Doyle Degenyamine Antonio Daniel ( I really think people overrate his cash game especially himself) Gus Sammy Guy Jamie Gold Jamie gold couldn't beat 10NL on any internet site playing the way he did on HSP. He misplayed just about every hand. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: kenjude on February 26, 2008, 11:24:55 AM Before HSP was the 'Big Game'(not including the andy beale games) not played at levels of $100k-$500k?? Isn't the Big Game limit, though, and capped in some circumstances? Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: KarmaDope on February 26, 2008, 11:26:37 AM I think it is, isn't the Big Game a mixed game, which would make it limit?
Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Longy on February 26, 2008, 11:28:31 AM Before HSP was the 'Big Game'(not including the andy beale games) not played at levels of $100k-$500k?? Isn't the Big Game limit, though, and capped in some circumstances? I believe its 4k/8k but they do play pot limit omaha and no limit hold em in it sometimes. So they just adjust the blinds accordingly, I believe they cap every hand at 100k max loss. Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: kenjude on February 26, 2008, 11:43:31 AM Is it back running again? I read a comment, from Brunson Jnr I believe, that it hadn't run for quite a number of months during and after the World Series because there was so much other stuff gonig on.
Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: Royal Flush on February 26, 2008, 03:17:19 PM Before HSP was the 'Big Game'(not including the andy beale games) not played at levels of $100k-$500k?? Isn't the Big Game limit, though, and capped in some circumstances? I believe its 4k/8k but they do play pot limit omaha and no limit hold em in it sometimes. So they just adjust the blinds accordingly, I believe they cap every hand at 100k max loss. Correct DN's blog said that its 1-2 in the PLO/NLHE rounds but with a 50BB cap.....lots of skill there... Title: Re: High Stakes Poker Post by: boldie on February 26, 2008, 04:04:13 PM Before HSP was the 'Big Game'(not including the andy beale games) not played at levels of $100k-$500k?? Isn't the Big Game limit, though, and capped in some circumstances? I believe its 4k/8k but they do play pot limit omaha and no limit hold em in it sometimes. So they just adjust the blinds accordingly, I believe they cap every hand at 100k max loss. Correct DN's blog said that its 1-2 in the PLO/NLHE rounds but with a 50BB cap.....lots of skill there... lol a 50bb cap?...that's like sitting in short at a normal NL PLO table :) |