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I was railing someone tonight playing a MTT, it is about 6 mins into the game, starting stacks are 2000 and blinds 10/20 and this hand came up -


***** Hand 969145634 *****
10.00/20.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 24 February 2008 18:36:45
-------- ------ (Real/Tournament)
Seat 1: trout333 (2000.00)
Seat 2: TopGun142 (1990.00)
Seat 3: Gaz1071 (1970.00)
Seat 4: Discord (2020.00)
Seat 5: ace-hitter (1920.00)
Seat 6: Wils14 (1960.00)
Seat 7: Tingate257 (2000.00)
Seat 8: vava316 (2010.00)
Seat 9: metz 13 (2000.00)
Seat 10: spexs (2130.00)
vava316 post SB 10.00
metz 13 post BB 20.00
** Deal **
trout333 [N/A, N/A]
TopGun142 [N/A, N/A]
Gaz1071 [N/A, N/A]
Discord [Ks, Qh]
ace-hitter [N/A, N/A]
Wils14 [N/A, N/A]
Tingate257 [N/A, N/A]
vava316 [N/A, N/A]
metz 13 [N/A, N/A]
spexs [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
spexs Fold
trout333 Fold
TopGun142 Fold
Gaz1071 Fold
Discord Raise to 60.00
ace-hitter Call 60.00
Wils14 Fold
Tingate257 Call 60.00
vava316 Fold
metz 13 Fold
*** Flop(Board): *** : [Qs, Kd, 3s]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
Discord Bet 250.00
ace-hitter Fold
Tingate257 All-in 1940.00


So, what would you have done ?  Call the all-in or fold ?

My decision would be that in order to accumulate enough chips to make a deep progression in this tournament, I would be willing to commit my stack with top two pair in this situation, therefore I call.

Would you fear the all-in player had Trip Kings or Trip Queens ?

Screams trips or a flush draw.  Fold

nope, of course they might have that, but you have top 2, on a drawy board, and people just play bad early on.

Wow, surprising to me how much equity we have even against a really tight range

Board: Qs Kd 3s
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    57.321%     47.17%    10.15%              8872         1910.00   { KsQh }
Hand 1:    42.679%     32.53%    10.15%              6118         1910.00   { KK-QQ, 33, AKs, AsJs, KQs, JsTs, AKo, KQo }

This is just retarded.

It amounts to baiting, ban the OP

cmon flushy :(  show at least a modicum of respect!

Usually facing the flush draw - so I call.  A set is less likely, but them's the breaks.

In fact, I had the same hand in a different situation in a cash game on Friday night.  I think I misplayed it, might post it up for analysis...

easy call

there will be another comp along in a minute if he does have me beat which isnt often

WTF? Call. Why? Coz i like money. Ill even let him have 33 50% of the time.

Nice to see you are your normal calm, caring and diplomatic self Jim.

I posted this hand to get a consensus of opinion regarding the hand in question as the person playing it folded, I said to them I would have called. I believed that the members of Blonde would provide decent explanantions as to why to call or why to fold in this situation, maybe making their thoughts clearer than I did to the actual player.

And as usual, the Blondes who have replied have done so with their usual help, except for you.

If the question if beneath your obvious great skill level and it is simply not worth your time, then do me and yourself a favour, DO NOT POST.

to be fair, Flushy probably thought it was a wind up post. I wondered before I looked at the replies to be frank!

even allowing for the direct and undiplomatic way he asked whether it was a wind up. Hopefully you two can kiss and make up.Please!

It's an immediate call even from me. A set shouldn't be pushing in, will be interested in maximising value. At most levels the range is so big (flush draw, top pair etc, straight draw, combination draw etc) that it really is a quick call

May I ask why one would naturally assume it is a "Wind up" post ?  Especially as I believe it is probally my first post in this section, some players are still relatively new to our game in comparison and even though it is an instant call from me, I felt my explanation may have been lacking.  I looked to my fellow Blondes to maybe explain it better than I, and they have kindly helped for which I thank them.

Jim and I "Kissing", you get better odds to win the Euro Millions, Jim and I making up ?  About the same odds....

I didn't naturally think it was a wind up post, I said I wondered before I looked at the replies because, to me, it seemed such an open and shut case of "call"

as it isn't, I suppose I should apologise for wondering if it was a wind up

glad you got some good replies, hopefully including the second half of my first post

don't let the rest of it put you off

can I stop digging now sir?

Fair point in regards to it being an instant call for us and therefore why you may have wondered if it was a joke post, but by posting I am helping a player progress even further in their game.

The replies have been helpful and yours was virtually spot on with my thinking, pocket 3's may have just called pre-flop but surely pocket Kings or Queens would have re-raised pre-flop ?

I reccomend you stop digging when you smell gas my friend....

no problem. Where there has been discord there is now a little harmony.

good night.

And it's a "Good Night" from us....

I snap call you really can't pass here. While muttering under my breath "please don't have 33".

easiest call all week, cant push that button quick enough... AK probs...

Maybe in future you should post it in the learning centre if you don't want people to think you are on the windup.

Nearly every reply has been instacall and even tighty the rock of ages thought this might be a windup!

You have been playing long enough yourself to know everyone is going to call here.

Good day Jim,

I know the "Learning Centre" is not a place you need to look at anymore, but if you did you would have seen I had posted the same thread there once I realised that the "Learning Centre" existed, after all, I do not post in the P/A section as a rule. I left this thread up because some kind Blondes had already shared their opinions with me and the person whose hand history it was.

You seem to have forgotten that in my original reply I stated that yes, it was an instant call from me but I hoped other people would be able to explain why it is so easy to call and not automatically assume we are beaten by 3 of a kind better than I may have done at the time.

The person whose hand history it is has thanks those who have taken the time to post their valued opinions and explanations.

However, I find it amusing that even though you feel this thread is a waste of time and benneath you, that you have still spared some of your extremely valuable time to post again without taking on board my explanation for the actual existence of this thread.

If you wish to discuss this further then I look forward to doing so the next time I see you, maybe at the next BB ?

If you're not prepared to put your whole stack in with something that isn't the nuts, you will never be a winning player. That's not a criticism, but the truth, that's why this is an insta-call given the other players' ranges.

I'd instacall here. His range is too wide for you to worry about the possibility that he has you beat, especially considering he didn't raise pre-flop and didn't try to extract more value from his hand once he hit. (both of which most players would do). You also have the fact that he could have an inferior two pair, a flush draw, or, considering that you don't know your opponent, this is the early stages of an online multi and people can be influenced by alcohol, misclicks or downright stupidity, a complete bag of spanners. The only holding you should be even remotely concerned about is bottom set, but even then you still have four outs to the redraw.

Thanks for the replies chaps.

If you want something helpful to take to your friend then i would sit them down and discuss their bet sizes when they flop the effective 2nd nuts, betting more than the pot here limits the chance of Qx and to an extent Kx making serious mistakes.

The over bet on the flop is the only point of discussion i can see in this thread.

Oh and my name is James.

Cheers for a much more helpful post, thank you.

I agree with Jim.

good post Jimbo.

Interesting point Jimmy.

The Blond Shop would make a killing if it sold handbags.


Ignore them Jimster.

oh jimmy, blonde is just so full of wannabe comedians.

Like Jim Davidson?

or jimmy cricket?

Is Jimmy Krankie?

Bullseye...it's Jim Bowen

or even the famous jimmy james of jimjams fame

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