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For this one, chip counts don't matter a toss.

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'Raise' to blah blah...make em up as ya like, but treble the blinds was the raise.
Fold
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This guy says 'Raise' and trebles the original 'raise' bet to 9 times the blinds
Fold

Original raising guy calls the extra, but isn't happy.  Says second guy should have said 're-raise', but being a 'friendly' game for only €10 buy in, he got no back up to his argument.   

Second guy wins the pot when all is said and done.

When the hand is over, original raising dude gets his knickers in a twist because second guy only said 'raise' and not 're-raise'  He reckons the other guy's play was only a call first day.

Discuss.............. 

First guy is an angle shooting cheat, or just retarded.

Raise stands.

He is a pedantic prick and should be bounced out of the game.

Raise would stand in any cardroom I've been to, so he doesn't have much of a leg to stand on unless he writes the house rules. He's angleshooting, raise is a raise, whether it's a raise, re-raise or re-re-re-re-re raise, still a raise. Should I start saying re-fold if someone's folded before me just to make sure?

Laxie, look at this situation.

Someone has raised infront of you, but you do not see it.

Action on you and you announce "raise" - you MUST now make a raise over the initial raise that you have missed.

Saying "re raise" is not necessary

For the record, I sided with the second guy who only managed to say 'raise' and I was attacked for doing so.  They know I'm stuck in with a poker forum and I was asked to defend my decision...without letting on how I had ruled.  Cheers lads!  Can't wait to show them the print out...pack of feckers!

They are idiots if they actually believe what they are saying!

If you took this to the logical conclusion, then someone putting in a 4th raise (uncommon but it happens) would be saying "I re-re-re-raise." It would be redonkulous having to announce this so feel free to stick your thumb on the end of your nose, wiggle fingers and say nah nah na nah nah in traditional victorious fashion as you are right.

Any other interpretation is just re-re-re-tarded.

lol think u summed it up that is crazy tho a raise is a raise whether sum1 i front of u has already raised or not some ppl just love to be awkward (or btter)

LOL would like to see their faces on seeing the print outs

First guy is an angle shooting cheat, or just retarded.

He is a pedantic prick and should be bounced out of the game.

They are idiots if they actually believe what they are saying!

Can't wait to show them the print out...pack of feckers!

Just show the summary :D

The OR should be moved next to the short stack as punishment.

I agree with all of the above...The little boy (it can't have been a grown man being soo pedantic) that complained should never be allowed near a pack of cards again.

Laxie you can tell them that Bigfella confirms the word "raise" is acceptable in that situation. That should put an end to any doubters.

As you can tell I'm bored...

Re-re-raise, when the crowd says bo selector.

As far as I'm aware you don't even have say 'raise'.  If someone bets 5, and someone raises to 15, you are within your rights to say "50" which means the same as "raise 50".

Although if someone says that I guess it's ambiguous, as it could mean raise to 50, or raise another 50 on top.  What's the ruling there, or is it a case of waiting for the player to stick the chips in and clarify what they mean?  I'd 'assume' it means raise to 50, but what's correct here?

Unless it's a specific house rule you don't have to announce anything at all. Pushing chips across the bet line is....err, your bet. Personally I don't announce my action because this is an extra bit of info your oppos may use against you to get a tell. Some casinos like Star City in Birmingham insist upon announcing action, but they are so inconsistent in enforcing this that the rule is paper thin. The point of announcing is to make your intentions clear and unambiguous to other players.

If you say "Raise" and put more chips in than the previous player I can't see how that can be misinterpreted by anyone.

Best one i've had.

Donk - "I raise the pot"

Me - "Err... It's no-limit mate"

Donk - "Your a dealer, tell me how much is in the pot, I want to raise that much"

Me - "......................................................................What planet do you come from?"

I think this should be a rule and if you get your 'reraises' announcement wrong you have to take a drink. Bring it in at the  next APAT event.  :dontask:

Also, if anyone opens the betting by announcing "raise" when he/she is in fact "betting", this action should be deemed void and penalties should be imposed at the TD's discretion.

Seriously, that's the best you have had?

 rotflmfao

Apart from your Mum, yeah :D

Count to ten James

Please refrain from such comments on blonde Forum.

We know it happens in Online Poker Chat Boxes, but this is a Poker Forum, & we'd rather not see such stuff here please.

Thanks.

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...same place, different day, different story:

Final table.  3 players left.

SB  10k

BB  20k

Button goes all in for 21k

Argument 1 - If SB or BB want to play they must put in 40k because guy with 21k raised, but didn't have enough to make a full raise.  When they phoned me, I said they only had to put in the 21k.  If they chose to make a raise, they were still entitled to because they had yet to act.  Someone else said the only way SB or BB were allowed to play was if they put in minimum of 40k (blinds + balance of proper raise).  Who's right? 

Next case/argument - Blinds are 2k/4k.  Limp fest pre.  Flop SB Check, BB Check next to act bet 10k next guy goes all in for 15k.  Next guy wants to make a raise and is told he can't because the all in guy couldn't double the 10k bet made previous and the most anyone is entitled to do until the turn is flat call the 15k.  When the turn comes down it's betting as normal unless the situation happens again where someone re-raises with less than double the initial turn bet.  They didn't phone me for this one on the night, but it was brought up last night after the first ruling was made.  Since I didn't have to make a ruling this one then and there, I said I'd put it to ye.

Last, but certainly not least - Please give a clear explanation of an under-raise and when does that ruling come into effect?

Printing the whole blinking lot out for them and this time EVERYONE will be reading it, not just the owner of the pub. 

Cheers!

Argument 1, you are right 21k is what needs to be called. If they raise they have to of course raise to the minimum amount of 40k.

Argumet 2, anyone who has not acted in the hand can raise however much they want.

Under raise comes into effect when the next guy who wants to raise has already acted in the hand.

Say player A bets 10k and player B moves all in for 15k, Player C can raise however much he wants as he's not been involved yet.
Say player C calls. Player A can now only call the 5k as he has already acted before.

Once a player has bet, raised or called they may only raise again if the betting is reopened by a full raise being made by any subsequent player.

In the case of an under raise this does not reopen the betting and players may only call or fold to this raise.

The amount of the under raise is not taken into consideration when calculating the next minimum raise.

Edit: Unclear passage removed.

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This is bollocks and anyone holding this out to be a rule is an idiot who has not bothered to do any research.  In nl an under-raise is any bet less than a minimum raise.  It is that and only that.  Get very angry with anyone who says anything else.

In all situations if an under-raise is treated for further action purposes like a call, it makes life simple.

agree completely

Sorry I think I was too vague with my language, I would normally expect (99% of the time) an under raise to be anything less than a normal standard raise, I just wanted to point out that this is not 100% everywhere and I have encountered a very small minority of games where it counts as a full raise if it is larger than half a full raise. I would suggest being aware of house rules as they do vary for a lot of different rules.

From Ladbrokespoker.com:
UNDER RAISE
This occurs when a player raises a prior bet but has to go all-in to do so. If the player under-raising - going all-in to raise - has less than half of the expected raise for that betting round, the betting round is locked. The term locked here means that any player who has already acted in the round (checked, called, or raised) may no longer raise. They may only call or fold. However, players who have yet to act (betting has not reached them yet) may raise the expected raise for that betting round, after calling. If the under-raise is half or more than the expected raise, the lock rule does not apply.

PokerRoom:
Under-raise
This occurs when a player raises a prior bet but has to go all-in to do so with an amount less than the full raise

Paddypower Poker:
Under-raise:   This occurs when a player raises a prior bet but has to go all-in to do so.  If the player under-raising … going all-in to raise … has less than ½ of the expected raise for that betting round, the betting round is locked.  The term locked here means that any player who has already acted in the round (checked, called, or raised) may no longer raise.  They may only call or fold.  However, players who have yet to act (betting has not reached them yet) may raise the expected raise for that betting round, after calling.  If the under-raise is ½ or more than the expected raise, the lock rule does not apply.

Internet-poker.co.uk
Under-raise - This scenario is when a player raises a bet but must go all-in to do so by placing an mount less than the full raise into the pot.

I think the confusion arises due to the differences between Limit and No-Limit but as you can see not everyone agrees.

Correct!

But I wld still shout

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when such idiocy occurs

So basically, if you haven't acted yet, you are entitled to do whatever ya bloody well want...there or there about.  Yes? 

1/2 bet or more means the betting is still open for everyone to do what they like.  Just want to be crystal clear on accepted practice. 

Yes Laxie, if you haven't acted yet you are entitled to do whatever you want.

By the way, it seems to be increasingly common to keyboard bash on Blonde. There must be a reason for this...

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Hmmmmm

That was somewhat enjoyable I suppose.

Cheers lads.  I tried to tell them that, but they'd prefer to hear it from other men besides listening to a woman...which is why I stay home most Thursday nights...sighhhhhhhhhhhh.