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it seems unthinkable,  but there only 3 points off 18th

Would be a classic

If current form is anything to go by, definitely.

Id love it  Id absoloutly love it

lol, me too.

Keegan will probably resign with four games to go anyway...

I think there are too many bad teams unlikely to get the points to send Newcastle down even if Newcastle's form does not pick up a lot

eg Derby are gone, Fulham going in my opinion...

I am quite surprised though that he's had no positive impact whatsover in the short term. Team spirit and collectiveness seems a major problem

I would deffo lay them at 7/2, like Tighty says there are some poor teams down there but at just over 6/1 I would rather sit out.

They should survive, especially with the two signings.
Wise is a hard-tackling midfield grafter and Hughton is a quality right back. They will strengthen the team substantially.

-23 LMFAO!!!

north east footy is in a shit state .... quite sad really.

Darlington are doing alright...

After yesterdays results (Not the Newcastle result - just hthe two extra for reading and the one extra for Fulham) I am now fairly concerned.  i decided to try and put my mind at rest and predict the scores from here on in for those that are fighting relegation. I think/hope I have been prudent in favour of Newcastle(ie been harsh on us and a bit more generous to the other teams) - the results did really ease my concerns!  I have written off Derby and Fulham.

Team              Points now      Plus          End of Season

Boro               29                  +14          43
Reading          28                  +13          41
Birmingham      26                  +14          40
Sunderland      27                  +11          38
Bolton            25                  +10           35
Wigan             28                 +6             34


Newcastle      28                +5 or +8       33 or 36

If we can get ten points from here to the end of the season we'll be safe - but might need to win away or beat Chelsea at home (by which point hopefully they wont be playing for anything and we can keep up our decent record against them at home!!)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/predictor/default.stm

Using the BBC Sport Predictor this is how it turned out for me:

12. Middlesbrough 37
13. Wigan 36
14. Newcastle 36
15. Sunderland 35
16. Reading 35
17. Birmingham 33
18. Bolton 32
19. Fulham 26
20. Derby 12

Also Arsenal won the league by 1 point and Liverpool sneaked 4th by 1 point.

       

Thats a good tool.

I have Man U to win the league by 5 points, Liverpool for 4th by 3 points. This time I had Bolton instead of Wigan to join Fulham and Derby.

lol thats exactley how mines turned out! 

I had Newcastle going down! 1 point adrift of Bolton.

I had man u beating chelsea to the title on GD! liverpool 4th,  Sunderland going down, and Newcastle surviving by 7 pts.

top 6

Man utd   90
Arse        87
Chelsea   83
Liverpool  73
Everton    73
Villa         62

Bottom 6

Wigan          36
Sunderland   32
Bolton          31
Newcastle     31
Fulham         26
Derby          13

Im pretty certain Sunderland will go down.

I was on them before the season started at 4-1, the other day i reloaded big time at 5-1.

Theyr absolutely terrible and have an awful squad.

i think im a little biased

1 arsenal 85
2 chelsea 85
3 manu  84
4 liverpool 75
5 everton 67
6 villa 66


14 newc  38
15 birm   37
16 wigan  37
17 sund  35
18 bolton 29
19 fulham 26
20 derby   11

1. Chelsea 88
2. Scum 87
3. Arsenal 86
4. Liverpool 75
5. Everton 71
6. Pompey 67


15. Boro 37
16. Newcastle 37
17. Wigan 34
18. Sunderland 32
19. Fulham 22
20. Derby 11

ohno!

Manu by 1 point.
Arsenal.
Chelsea
Everton
Liverpool
Pompey (on GD)

birmingham.
Fulham
Derby 

I'm fed up with that predictor thing.

No matter what results I put in I can't get Chelsea relegated.

.

IM LOL at you having The Hub cap thieves 7 points clears of the other mickey mousers no red tinted specs for you are there :D

Much as I would like it, the teams below Newcastle are too poor to overtake them. Think Allerdice should sue for wrongful dismissal...lol. While the team was dour under him, there was never a threat of relegation.

ive a sneaky feeling manu will romp home and arsenal will self destruct to third

quality

Why so many of you want newcastle to go down i am worried as we are in trouble but think we will be safe as we played well and got unlucky against blackburn and with home games vs fulham reading and the scum they're winnable games for us. Can't see why anyone would rather see a team like bolton or even worse wigan(unless u support them) who never sell there ground out stay up yet a club with full house every week go down. A suppose if you read the bollox in the papers all the time u might have reason to go against newcastle fans but its fact that we are 1 of the best supported clubs in the country yet weve won fuk all in 50 years. Liverpool fans whinge they dont win the league and sack rafa even though hes took them to 2 cl finals in 3 years.All fans at all clubs whinge when its not going there way even the mancs where doubting fergie a couple of seasons back thats football.WE ALWAYS SUPPORT ARE CLUB AND ALWAYS WILL

I think you will find the protest about Raffa were for him to stay.. might have been reported differently in the scum, some fans will always be critical, but we have never wanted raffa sacked..


Start supporting your managers a bit more, there also part of the CLUB and TEAM.

Not really having a dig at liverpool m8 but there has been a lot said bout sacking rafa(i accept most supposed liverpool fans and ne other clubs fans who ring up these phone-ins aren't the true fanbase of the club) even hoiullier got sacked after winning five trophies fair enough he bought some bad players but surely he deserved more time after what he'd done for the club

As for giving managers more time and support look at the last few we've had u cant disagree they are shite souness was a joke any blackburn fan will tell u he's ueless which is why he got sacked as for allardyce he was the wrong man in the 1st place and contrary to the shite u may read in the paper not as many fans as u think wanted him sacked especially at this point in the season.Mike ashley told him he wanted better attacking football fat sam said thats not how he does things so he was sacked it was more to do with change of chairmen not the fans there is this perspective from everyone else in the country that we expect to be challenging for the league and to win the cups this is total bs we no we are nowhere near that level anymore but do expect to be challenging the rest of the teams in the league yet we haven't fot the last 3/4 years due to shit signings ans shit football from equally shit managers.

The reason why many would find it entertaining to see Newcastle go down, its not personal or anything to do with the papers. Its because it would be a surprise and as a nation we love the underdog winning.

Look at the FA cup, its great having shock results, its makes the game more interesting. A club of Newcastles stature being relegated makes the game more interesting. Just cos you have a big support doesn't give you the devine right to be a top divison side, though this is becoming more true as money in football speaks.

Also there is a sense of "natural justice" at work here, you employ a manager with a proven record and then sack him after 6 months. To appoint Keegan, who no offence, anyone outside of Newcastle thought was a terrible appointment for the long term of the club. I know you will disagree and argue this is Allardyce's side, but that is how most of the footballing public view it.

I have nothing against Newcastle or their fans, but I personally would find it entertaining to see them relegated ahead of the other sides down there. A bit like when Leeds got relegated a few years back, through their own mis management.

Thats the way I should have put my response.  :goodpost:

Firstly i agree that sacking allardyce after 6months was not a great idea and i didnt want him to get the sack at that point of the season i dont think he was the right man for the job but like i said sacking him at that point was crazy of ashley he said himself he should've got rid of him as soon as he came in.Allardyce was a proven manager at bolton by playing long ball football and managing to keep bolton in the premiership whereas newcastle fans want to watch good football which is fair i think(clearly staying in the premiership is most important but dont think many of the results since kk came would be different wiv sam)

Nobody has the divine right to stay in the prem but i would think any fan of football and the prem lge would much rather have a club in the league that fills there ground then a club that has empty seats everywhere and theres no atmosphere at all.

To be fair to allardyce ii's not just his squad but roeder and sounees before him but looking at allardyces signings except beye they've all been very poor.

Our biggest rivals are sunderland and i despise them whereas middlesboro i couldnt care less bout its not reallly even a derby but i would rather see the boro go down then them as at least sunderland have decent crowds the boro are a joke grounds always half empty they don't deserve to have a club in the prem in my (probably wrong)opinion.

Anyway for all who hope that newcastle will go down i hope you don't get what you want. And i dont think we will

You talk a lot of sense, so there is two of us.

I'm pretty confident that we will stay up, because its very much in our own hands and we have three key games that are at home - a win on Monday would be nice, but can't see if.

Wish i was as confident m8 hmm.The birmingham game is massive we really need to get something out of the game to give us a boost for the reading game on the sat cant see it tho they seem to playing decent at the mo esp at home whereas we are abysmal away.

David Blaine was gutted yesterday when he found out his 44 day world record of doing FUCK ALL in a box was smashed by Newcastle striker Michael Owen.

I want Newcastle to go down, they need the reality check. personally i think Allardyce was the right man for the job. Newcastle needs a complete change to ever get bad to anything near a top 6 side.  just playing attacking football is a sure fire way to lose nowadays. Arsenal and Man Utd play more attacking football, but they have very good defences and, more importantly, teams that work as a unit.

At least thats actully true

Bollocks...

So what is the future for Newcastle if they do go down

a good point and well made

if you say so. you couldn't pay me to watch the rubbish newcastle 'play'

say thankyou to Spurs you geordies :D

as I said elsewhere, Bolton in the mire (lol Megson)

great result this for Newcastle, most unexpected

Listening to it on FiveLiveExtra, sounds like the Spurs defence is awful, but no doubt the half-time equaliser totally changed the game.

::)

Excellent result tremendous performance in 2nd half Spurs were very poor.Keegan Keegan Keegan ...

Watched it on the net - totally outclassed them throughout and we looked like a decent team. Thats 5 wins in a row, if only we could play them every week!! It was definately a case of our performance dictating how good Tottenham could be, they didnt really get the ball, at times we have 5 minute spells with close to 90% possesion.

The 4-3-3 worked well aginst Tottenhams 4-3-3 and their 4-4-2, all be it the latter for a short period. Nicky Butt was outstanding, I have a lot of respect for the way he has turned his Newcastle career round. Geremi and Enrique, the two players who have frustrated me most this season, seem to be more comfortable too. Happier Days!!

Robinson again showing he shouldn't be near the England team, his positioning for the first and second is a joke.

LOL LOL win a game agains opposition who are already on their end of season break and you suddenly rate yourselves .. gg wp nh ....

PS. if keegan is the answer, what was the fkin question ?  LOLOL

We've played well in the last 3/4 games but i certainly dont rate our team. There should be many players out in the summer who aren't good enough. Away from home we tried to win played 3 strikers and gave it a go if sa was still in charge he wouldve played 1 up front had 11 men behind the ball and hoped 4 a nil nil draw. I personally won't be judging kk till next season but we are definitly improving.

;whistle;

 rotflmfao Just another of the many times he proves people wrong who say that he's not good enough

A great performance by the Barcodes this afternoon, they were very good but Spurs were absolutely atrocious.

Ramos experimented, and found out that a few of Spurs' players are useless. This defeat will be a blessing in disguise.

And to summarise, all I know is this: Spurs will finish higher that Newcastle next season, have won more trophies this season then Newcastle have won for 40 years and we have a proven, world class manager who has won trophies before and at the highest level and you have Keegan; a proven yellow belled turd.

 :)up

He isn't proven in the premiership though so see how you progress.As for you definitly finishing higher then us next season there isn't that big a difference in the 2 teams (we've won the last 5) and if you lose berbatov in the summer you could finish mid-table again next year.

He is proven in La Liga and has won major trophies in recent times. Keegan on the other hand?!?

feel you have to justify Spurs losing Nem :D

Ultimately who cares? Spurs are in Europe and Newcastle are not. They can beat us 4-1 today and they played well, but they have Keegan as their manager and a leopard never changes its spots.

wow spurs losing to shitty newcastle must really have hurt to get nem to post..

Far from it. Spurs' season finished when PSV scored their final penalty. Sad, but it seems going by some of our players' performances, true...

Until Ledly King can play regularly, or they replace him with another decent centre back, and probably more importantly they get rid of Robinson, I can't see Spurs being top 6.

I can't see Newcastle being there too soon either if the plan is to just bring in 'one or two quality players'. Four minimum required.

Ramos has came out and said that there are 5 untouchables at Spurs and the others he will listen to offers for...

Hutton, King, Woodgate, Berbatov, Keane and I would add Bale to that list. So it could be a very busy summer at WHL as there will be some major signings.

He came out and said it?!! Must be something a little lost in translation!! Berbatov just looks like he wants away to me.

You hear the story of berbatov being a big newcastle fan ... ... He can be one of our major siignings   ;)

LOL! That would be good, though I think there would be more chance of getting Ronaldinho before him.

What he buys in the summer should hinge how how many games he thinks he can get out of Viduka - if its not more than 60-65% then a striker in that mould needs to be up there on the list.

keegan and macdermott at ibrox last night, any1 know who for? my guess is cueallar90%, though other possibilities are macgrego5%r, davis4% or ferguson1%


asuming its rangers players

No..they were there to see that Sporting Lisbon player..the midfielder with the mullet and blonde highlights (can't remember his name)

doubt it
its obv cuellar

sigh

Its the centre back, Cuellar. Forgive me for not getting too exciting about signing a centre back from Rangers. It brings back horrible memories.

So you don't want Dawson then?

Doh!

Cuellar is looking very good this season..I have no idea what he's done before he came to Rangers though...still say Keegan was looking at mullet man (mainly because Newcastle had someone look at him in Portugal as well..allegedly)

i really dont mind the idea of being a selling club to the prem

more money

more top young players willing to come for a year or two to get thier move to england

but we need top scouts and youth system, for the conveyor belt to work

id be a stepping stone than a retirement home!!!!

Another good performance from the toon and another good win looking forward to the summer to see who we bring in and who leaves also Hoping/Expecting better season than this next year under a team that will be more influenced by keegan.Although a lot of people like to crticise him on here surely u will give him credit for his changing of tactics to put 3 attackers on and play owen in a deeper role it has worked wonders and proves he isn't as tactically stupid as people think.

Must have been Denis Wise' idea, Keegan is a clueless tactition of the highest order.

FYP

So no coincidence that since Hughton has come in as first team coach, Newcastle have started winning?

 rotflmfao Guess that's a no then. Hughton came in as a defensive coach yet your suggesting it was his idea to play 3 strikers we conceded in the birmingham game when our defence was a joke and conceded against spurs too so therefore no i dont think he has had in impact as much as your trying to suggest

As for denise wise as i believe he has no influence at all in first team affairs and is there as more a directors/scouting role i also don't believe denise wise has anything to do with the first teams improved performances at all!

I agree Keegan may not be amongst the best tacticians in the world but he isn't anywhere near as stupid as some people seem to think.

As I said earlier its a complete joke to suggest that someone who has played at the level Keegan has and has managed at the level he has, is completely clueless. Its just not true, completely over exagerated and overly hyped y people themselves who arent really sure what they are talking about.

People associate a tactical game of football with being defensively sound. They assume that Keegan is clueless on the basis he likes to play attacking football. Attacking football is an art form and is every bit as difficult as creating a strong defensive team that doesnt conceed. I'm not that bothered about people's opinion of him though to be honest. If I get to watch football like the last three games more often than not next season I'll be a happy fan, and one who may have to dust off the passport.

Barry or Bullard
Brown or Silvestre
Another Centre back
Ashdon or Crouch

Silvestre wont be coming if a certain joey barton is at the club and i assume he will be (as was the case last summer) although hope not.Peter crouch would be a good singing imo he is a quality player and gets a lot of stick simple due to his height "he has a good touch for a big game" is most annoying thing i hear as he has an excellent first touch as a footballer (height not relevant).2 centre backs is a definite must and 1 needs to be world class (if possible).

Its a bit of a 'wish list' but still being realistic. I'd love a world class defender but I can't think of one that would come to us. If we can't get a top draw one I'd sooner have a tried and tested one from the EPL rather than another punt of a foreign one.

Sadly it looks like Charlie N'Zogbia will be one his way to London. See if he can improve his poker down there on some of his showings a t Aspers. Cracking player but clearly not happy and has stagnated because of it. Apparently the NOTW is quoting a swap involving Lennon.

Not likely we could sign 1 of the world class defenders in prem so it would have to be a foreign player with a good reputation if we were going to(which i agree with our track record is a risk).It does seem nzogbia wants away and although he is a good player pointless having someone who wants away him and lennon are both about the same level (although lennon cant cross a ball for shit) so would be ok deal if it was a straight swap.

Mondatoo,

You really have made this thread very entertaining; I cannot wait for your next installment! ;applause; :)up ;popcorn;

I am glad it seems to be coming together for Keegan, he seems a nice guy and cares about Newcastle.

rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao :)up :)up

i'm guessing you have a different opinion of Lennon than your manager Nem? If Lennon played like he did when he came on for England a couple of times last year he'd be well worth having. more miss than hit by those standards from what I have seen.

I cannot see a straight swap deal? In fact, when has there ever been a transfer that was concluded as a straight swap?

Chris Hughton is a great coach. He was a defender when he played for Spurs/Ireland, and he was first team coach under Jol at Spurs.

Keegan becomes manager and Newcastle lose 8 or 9 on the trot.

Hughton comes in and the first 4 games since his appointment you win?

It has a lot to do with Hughton me thinks...;carlocitrone;

To be fair Nem, we had stopped playing Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man U, which also helped. ;)

LOL! Come on! Firstly we were starting to play decent football before he came in, and results changed without him actually working with the players. These results are all about the new confidence and lack of pressure as opposed to any coaching they have had in the last two weeks! If he was able to have an impact like that he'd still be at Tottenham.

Striaght swops are rare but for me these two have similar values. I know one has full international caps etc, but he also happens to be english.

Will be intersting to see how long the 4-3-3 lasts, Milner,N'zogbia/Lennon and Duff will probably be keen to find out too!

When did he sign?

Jusst highlighting that we'll have three wingers, one way or another!

24th July 2008.You not hear about it ??

There's approximately 0% chance in Lennon signing for Newcastle; and you can quote me on that!

people seem to remember your quotes for some reason Nem.....

 Re: Torres to Liverpool
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2007, 10:58:47 pm »   

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Vastly overrated, lightweight, looks like a guarantee shit first season IMO.

The Spanish Andy Johnson...

 :'(

How ??? Apart from spurs being in europe next season both teams are pretty much at the same level (obviously we've struggled but so were spurs at beginning of the season) most expect both teams to compete for 5th and 6th and no more than that will be expected next season.If ramos wanted to sell lennon dont think he would automatically dismiss us as we offer better wages than most (not something i am keen on) and can't see any of the big 4 coming in for him as he hasn't done much this season.

Also it's a wonder how spurs continued to ship goals all season when hughton's such a great coach and is the sole reason for our improvements maybe jol just never listened to him where as keegan must be letting him run the show.

A lot to do with Jol + Segars + Robinson + Dawson + Kaboul.

Yet newcastle's up turn isn't down to Keegan owen martins viduka but mostly down to a defensive coach really can't see your logic but think we've dragged this on enough.Guess we'll just agree to disagree. ;)

If you can put it down to any one person its Mark Viduka. Simple as.

In truth its a combination of a number of other thigns along with that. Non of it is to do with any of the coaches.

I hope we dont get Lennon (if we can get a decent chunk for Charlie on his own), I think we should be buying in the class above him. I don't want someone who doesnt get in a team we compete against. I dont mind as much getting someone who doesnt get in a team that are better than us.

Lennon is most probably 5th player on the team sheet.

Yeah Alan Smith has been awesome...

Excellent point. Lets also add that they actually need to be a decent player too. I think Smith was signed on the back of the fact that he was at Man U and that he plays like an idiot.

I thought Lennon had been getting left out, but turns out that was just against us - he starts and gets subbed in the others.

He has a lot to work on but he is a very good player.

 ;D

mmm Just noticed this on my pics as I was deleting them off my hard drive.. Any comment mug it was actually 11 points..  :)up

fk my life  :dontask:

none of us predicted reading for the drop though.

So close! lol

Dont think anyone predicted fulham to survive either tho!

No


No..

Sik imo, if there are 2 teams that should be the other way around.. They did well though Fulham, and Reading dont know, but I would have though a better end of season battle from reading.. Next season will probably be easier.. Stoke, WBA... and winners of play off ???

Yep, what comes up must go down i think.

West Brom stand a chance especially if they can find some money to invest. I think Fulham will struggle again along with Bolton. I agree that Stoke and the playoff winners are likely to be relegated.

Last few seasons 1 team at least has stayed up but cant see it next season the championship may've been interesting this year but quality has been pretty poor west brom do play the best football in that division but without some major signings they'll also go straight back down.Fixtures come out 16th june looking forward to that already luv it when the fixtures come out 32 days and counting ...

I couldn't agree more. Fulham and Bolton will not be going down.