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Anyone watching this and finding Andy Greekfish's commentry really weird? He's critcising Channing for checking an AQ10 board with AK heads up- plus some other questionable comments- anyone agree or am I a bigger donk than I thought

i totally agree with u
his the worst commentator i've ever heard!
these r some of the best in d world and his saying what their doing is wrong?
what happened to varying your plays? what happened to being able to back your play by reasons and logic instead of being told 'it is wrong'
hu's he anyway?

he's biggin up todd brunson aswell hes not that good.

omg i luv it...andrew (7J) bluffs on river after Mr greekfish says he have to represent that ace coz its sooo obvious it makes a difference ?!?!?!!?!? Then says roland HAVE to fold his bottom pair...roland insta-calls and makes a great call and wins...such a bad call says greekfish lol
dont he know these are the best in the world?

does his comments suprise you? have you seen him play? the guy picks the worst spots i have ever seen in TV cash.

I watched it last week and thought a few of his opinions were debatable, he also says things like "more easier"

However I think the show is great on the whole and hope they do another one soon.

just been told i am probs thinking of wrong guy

Some of the stuff he was saying was really questionable. Like when Pescatori got dealt  Ks Js and Greekfish kind of said "wow!" at his hand or words to that effect like it was aces. Is it just me or is that one of the biggest trap hands in hold'em? Even my non poker playing girlfriend knows that.

I must admit I was a bit shocked by some of the plays Channing was making (or not making to be precise) but it was all in hands where he was extracting lots of value and he ended up 20k the better, think he came in for a little bit too much criticism.

i think channing was playing a very cautious game intentionally, i reckon that buyin was quite large for him, correct me if i'm wrong.

Why do you say that? According to the top pro's he is.(not including Greekfish in that comment btw)

Here's an article Neil wrote on the hendon mob site after playing in it: http://www.thehendonmob.com/neil_channing/back_to_the_day_job

 Aspades

On the subject of the commentary...No comment!

But ...critisicng or trying to second guess players who, are in a different league to you, is at best foolheardy, compound that mistake by patronising players who apear to be in the same league and... you are definately in a hole.

Niel is a regular in the "Vic`s" biggest cash games with a buy in of £10,000 plus ...His hybrid style can be very effective.
He may have toned his game down due to being on TV, but the calibre of his opponents on this occasion would not  have phased him...Imo

It is astonishingly bad commentary. Maybe he does it on purpose so that everybody will believe he's a very very average player?

It was like listening to Ian Frazer, which is not a good thing.

he went on THM forum to defend himself on a similar (but much nastier) thread.

Just before his posts are two posts from 'new members' who had signed up that day and only had one post on their profile, both saying things to the effect of "I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed the commentary of Andy Greekfish and wish he was on TV more' etc etc
  ::)

I know one thing for certain, I would rather have Mr Channing playing my roll in that game than about 75% of the others.

Aspades
Spot On Phil though, if "Jesus" had it you certainly wouldn`t be in much danger of losing it!...Your bankroll that is.

Maybe he was tired? like J May outlined loads of other poker players backed out with helping on the commentary.

 I must say I don't mind Greek, he says what he thinks and it may not often be 100% correct but who cares.

he is good but i thought greekfish was brown nosing him far too much!!!

is he great at uncapped NL? they don't play it in the big game

Well, apparently, he is the biggest winner in the big game, something in excess of $20 million.

That would do me.

Erm i think that win refers to when the "corporation" played Andy beal. I would imagine the biggest in the big game was Chip Reese

the 20 mill thing was min bet poker

lol you are dead right mate. Whenever I see him on these cash game tables I get the feeling he has been staked by his mother in law.  :)

i spoke to andy tonight and asked him if his game was as good as his comentries .
his answer was that we are going to have an argument in a bit ,cause iv taken that much stick .
apparently theres a big debate going of on another well known site (some thing to do with the mob).
i thought personally he was rubbish but i dont want to argue .
gl to him if he can get away with it .

lmao

Andy on a  4422K board with De Wolfe holding 52 "If Jamie has a deuce then he has Roland outkicked"

Lol, I noticed that one too.

Liked how Jesse was calling everything perfectly and Greekfish was getting it all wrong.

Think he was waaaaaaay too harsh on Feldman, that kid couldnt hit a barn door last night and was doing his best to make up for it. When feldman open bluffed on the 422 board it was a great move, the odds of anyone at a full table having one of the other 2s is something like 18-1.

OK just seen this, Channing is very very good i think. Pretty impossible to narrow his ranges. Williamson the 3rd is phenomenal. but we knew that anyway. And greekfish appears to have very exploitable thinking patterns and is generally a terrible commentator.

maybe Greekfish is actually a lot more intelligent than we all give him credit for. He is commentating like a fish so that he can exploit this against future opponents! INGENIOUS!


unlikely.....

can someone enlighten me on DaveShoelace's comment that the odds of anyone on the table having a 2 is something like 18 to 1?!?!?!?!?!?!??!
lets see, feldman's cards + 3 on board makes 5 known cards so theres 47 unknown cards of which there are two more dueces...he was bluffing into about five people? so probability of any card out of the ten in people's hands is a duece 2/47...times that by 10...20/47....so i think the true odds of anyone of them holding a two is about 2/5 which makes it pretty likely...so next time you thinking of making that same move...THINK AGAIN!

oh i forgot to mention people might also call you with any pocket pair, A4...35 etc kind of hands....just depends on your image :)

ps i just realised why i'm losing so much money!!! i'm making too many moves lol

Yeah, Im gonna hold my hands up on this one, got that the wrong way round. Those odds are based on a heads up hand at a full ring table.

I'll get me coat

Who is he? I have never heard of him

Feldman or Greekfish  or both?

Greekfish

bet365 pro I think

According to THM database his career tournament cash total is $0!

mr ward sums it up nicely on his 'dahn the den' piece...

http://www.getitquietly.blogspot.com/

oh & btw,
that greekfish is a lovely fella & i'm sure the experience will serve him well!

wow last night was mental. It was good to see someone scoop a big pot off Townsend!

I thought the commentary was class, kept me entertained.

I was watching this and cringing tbh. The main things that came over were that he misread a few hands and (more to the point) he has quite strong opinions on certain players and also how the game should be played (ie agressive or bust). I did not like his piss taking attitude towards curtis tbh ("oh he has top pair he will probably fold this") and the critisism of channing and feldman also. There is a differance between pointing out alternative options with reasons , and just deriding the way a player has chosen to player a hand becuase you dont like him or the way he plays.

Having said that..... I met him at the wsop- he was on my table for quite a while - and he was friendly and fairly well informed when  I spoke to him at the breaks. Whilst I thought the commentry was very poor, I do feel that It is a lot harder than most of us realise. You have to analyse hands straight away ( we can all do that accurately every time right!) and then put those thoughts into words, while doing so in coherent and hopefully unbiased fashion. Oh! and you do this knowing that most of your (quite large) audience are a highly critical and reasonaby knowledgable group of people. Just to make it a bit more difficult you do this in the last couple of sessions of a 24 hour game when you yourslf are ptobably quite knackered and may even have a drink or 2 ( dunno about this but there is a fair chance). It wasnt good bit then  it isnt easy.

Any commentary is a pleasure to listen to after a dose of Trevor Harris, Jason Barrasford or Paul Musselle

That's funny because before I watch any poker show which TJ does the commentary or analysis on I listen to a bit of Rolf Harris for the same reason :)

I just checked out the thread on the hendon mob and as somebody mentioned two accounts posting back to back praising the commentary :)





Oddly enough neither account has posted before or since :)

lmao..they probably went bust and had to take their computer to the cash converters :)

I'd be happy to bet everything I own and borrow a ton of money off the meanest loan shark and bet that too, that say flushy for example is way ahead of greekfish when it comes to poker theory, let alone people like Antonius, CTS, strasser and a long long list of 2+2 posters. So I don't really understand what Jessie is saying here unless he's saying he would gladly spend 18 hours in a box explaining simple concepts, cos greek don't even seem to know the difference between a set and trips.

i think Jesse was just trying to trick Greekfish into a box so he could nail it shut and bury him.

the best thing for me was the comments on kirk morrison when he makes a standard call against townsend. Woow he can play a bit- maybe they should get a bit of research done on the players, the "unknown" player who can "play a bit" finished very high in last years POY and won way over 2 million dollars in tourneys alone. Kirk is a class act and is always great fun to play with, the fact channing said he never wanted to sit with him again is Neils way of saying he respects him.

I think the game looks redic soft tbh. Id back most accomplished 2/4 online pro's to clean up.

may have been a few donks in there but you stick almost any 2/4 player in with channing, williamson and kirk and they are going to get eaten alive. You sit with these players and you may realise the difference between 2/4 online and a real game. The fold of AQ by williamson was probably one of the best cash game folds I've seen in a long while and I'm sure channing can't believe he didn't get paid off. He may have been playing the drunken fool very well but how many poor plays/mistakes did he make? same goes for kirk and chaning.

Williamson is superb, hands down fantastic player. Dont think iv seen another come close to him in a TV cash game. Havent been overly impressed by any of the others. Tony G comes close, superb reads.  Compare the shark to mug ratio on that table and tell me its not a soft game. Channing doesnt look too dangerous tbh, although at least he uses alternative lines.

I thought the AQ laydown by Williamson was superb.  I wonder how many players go bust there?

I think the standard was indifferent there was some poor play on show, some fishy but some really good play.  That Townsend fella just looks super aggressive.

I never caught the show from the beginning watched a few hours on pokertube.com though.  Was there much editing done?

i'm offering 10-1 to anyone that can find a '2/4 pro' go into that game and 'clean up'

Terms and conditions:
1) You find the player. Prove his a 2/4 pro whatever that means. Then get him into that game, shouldn't be hard, just befriend Mad Marty. You got a year's time.
2) You provide/find the bankroll for him to play in there. I suggest at least £100k, Jamie Gold might play and keep reloading for more than you, so a couple of buy-in seems the best option.
3) The player can keep reloading indefinately but has to 'clean up'. My definition is that the player has to at least break/bankrupt 2 players to achieve 'clean up'.

Any takers please email a.greekfish@waste_of_space.com

I agree about Barrasford and Musselle but Harris is a class act

anyone fancy a blonde cub together? 100 of us give a good 400nl player  (James Keys/Daniel Rudd) £2k each and let him loose?

Lol Alex, you think 100 people on here have 2k spare to punt on this, even though it would certainly be +EV to give to UTM or other comptent cash players.

A better question is does Flushy fancy staking someone to play in this.

Stuart Rutter imo.

Fergus imo

Lol, all we need him to do is to "look after" the money during breaks. Punt if on the 2:30 @ Haydock and we are on a winner.

yeah or stu. although rumour has it he hero folds sets on the river getting 6:1..........

Stu's brother Tom is one hell of a player too

hehe give it to stu! it worries me how well he does. cheers btw greekstein! (cos?)

yup! when you next playin in london bud?

of too sure mate, will let you know when I'm about. Coming back for dtd in a couple of weeks? If u need somewhere to stay let me know