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Title: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: RED-DOG on March 16, 2008, 12:32:53 PM The Sad: Quentin, Walsall big cheese and all around good egg is leaving at the end of the month. During the 4 or 5 years that I've known him, Q has always had time for the punters. He has listened to their complaints with a patient ear and a friendly smile, I'll be sorry to see him go.
A little bird tells me that Quentin will resurface in a completely different role. I wish him luck in his new venture. The Bad: The monthly £300 at Walsall has for many years been one of the most popular events on the poker calendar. Fields of 100 + are commonplace, and 140 + by no means unusual. So I was surprised and disappointed last night to see that this, my favorite regular comp could only boast 52 runners. Why? I don't know really, but I do know that I didn't see it advertised anywhere. I didn't get a text or a flyer, and as far as I know, there was no advance warning on any of the forums (Which is a shame because it's free and would only take a few moments of someone's time) Don't get me wrong, the staff were excellent, as always, and the comp plays just as well as it ever did. It's just a shame to let one of the best regular tournaments in the country die for the want of a little effort. The Tragic: The buffet was 'orrible! Three choices, all pasta, all looking like pig swill, and (according to the brave souls who actually tried to eat it) tasting like pig swill as well. Sorry Grosvenor Walsall. Forgive me. I've had a bit of a whinge this week, but I'm still your biggest fan, and I will be back for the next £300. Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: Karabiner on March 16, 2008, 12:55:52 PM I didn't even know that this was on and I used to be a regular too..
Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: RED-DOG on March 16, 2008, 12:58:26 PM I found out purely by accident the day before Ralph.
Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: Longines on March 16, 2008, 01:05:05 PM I got the text about it. Flyers in the room for the last couple of weeks but no sign of it mentioned elsewhere.
When all that the regulars appear to eat is toast, it tells you something about the standard of catering. Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: RED-DOG on March 16, 2008, 01:10:32 PM I got the text about it. Flyers in the room for the last couple of weeks but no sign of it mentioned elsewhere. When all that the regulars appear to eat is toast, it tells you something about the standard of catering. In future if they (Or any cardroom for that matter) would like to drop me a PM, I would be glad to spam their comp on blonde. Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: TightEnd on March 16, 2008, 01:30:19 PM - a lot of competition for Walsall. Cash has decamped to Broadway, big comp players heading to dtd every now and again (saw Des, Ben Callinan, Mad Turk, John Hewston, Craig etc at the last dtd monthly)
- Walsall subject to the same marketing freeze as the rest of the Grosvenors - Danny, Zak etc not allowed to post on forums. Head Office decision for all Grosvenor staff (Nina got an exemption) to avoid breaching fraternaisation rules. Note our live poker board, with the exception of Nina there's no advertising of Grosvenor non festival comps any more Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: RED-DOG on March 16, 2008, 01:40:52 PM Danny, Zak etc not allowed to post on forums. Head Office decision for all Grosvenor staff
Place muzzle on instep, pull trigger. (How to shoot yourself in the foot in one easy lesson). Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: Karabiner on March 16, 2008, 01:45:20 PM I'm sure that Walsall used to send me a flyer every month with all of their tourneys on it.
They probably stopped when Danny was posting their fixture list on the forum..... ::) Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: TightEnd on March 16, 2008, 01:45:41 PM Danny, Zak etc not allowed to post on forums. Head Office decision for all Grosvenor staff Place muzzle on instep, pull trigger. (How to shoot yourself in the foot in one easy lesson). I agree from a players point of view However I'm reluctant to blanket criticise them, as I don't know the specific rules about fraternisation. For all I know the GC may have insisted. Looking on the newest page of live poker http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?board=5.0 with the exception of Luton all Grosvenors are conspicuous by their absence, GUKPT aside Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: TightEnd on March 16, 2008, 01:47:17 PM I'm sure that Walsall used to send me a flyer every month with all of their tourneys on it. Ralph snail mail flyers from Grosvenors were "canned" in early 08 due to cost cutting Luton now does (occasional) texts and (monthly) emails but I do not know where Walsall are on electronic mailing lists. Probalby in 1986 or something!! Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: RED-DOG on March 16, 2008, 01:49:32 PM For all I know the GC may have insisted.
You think the GC may have insisted but granted Nina special dispensation? Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: TightEnd on March 16, 2008, 01:50:18 PM For all I know the GC may have insisted. You think the GC may have insisted but granted Nina special dispensation? no idea. I'm feeling charitable today. It won't last. Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: Dingdell on March 16, 2008, 01:52:30 PM For all I know the GC may have insisted. no idea. I'm feeling charitable today. It won't last.You think the GC may have insisted but granted Nina special dispensation? Will it last long enough for you to donate at DTD tomight? Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: RED-DOG on March 16, 2008, 01:53:28 PM For all I know the GC may have insisted. You think the GC may have insisted but granted Nina special dispensation? EDIT: You think the GC may have insisted but granted Nina AND ALL OTHER CARD ROOMS special dispensation? Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: TightEnd on March 16, 2008, 01:53:31 PM No dtd tonight, Trace.
Still recovering from last night's lack of airbag moment Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: TightEnd on March 16, 2008, 01:54:55 PM For all I know the GC may have insisted. You think the GC may have insisted but granted Nina special dispensation? EDIT: You think the GC may have insisted but granted Nina AND ALL OTHER CARD ROOMS special dispensation? I've no idea. I do know that Nina has "special dispensation" From whom, why and what the fraternisation rules are I do not know Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: RED-DOG on March 16, 2008, 02:09:36 PM For all I know the GC may have insisted. You think the GC may have insisted but granted Nina special dispensation? EDIT: You think the GC may have insisted but granted Nina AND ALL OTHER CARD ROOMS special dispensation? I've no idea. I do know that Nina has "special dispensation" From whom, why and what the fraternisation rules are I do not know Come on now Rich, What's your best guess, do you think, in your professional opinion, while wearing all your poker related hats, that the GC make separate rules for Nina? Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: Karabiner on March 16, 2008, 02:13:31 PM No dtd tonight, Trace. Still recovering from last night's lack of airbag moment You've been on a diet ? Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: TightEnd on March 16, 2008, 02:17:28 PM My best guess is that Grosvenor Head Office know little about Poker marketing, do not understand how useful forums can be to promote their business and possibly had a fraternisation scare a while ago
They decide to issue an edict that staff employed in card-rooms should not post on fora Staff at Luton are staggered given the promotion they do (and players do for them) on blonde, send Carmel into bat and Carmel gets a "pass" for Nina as representative No other casino/poker manager within the Grosvenor estate, pre-occupied with poor casino drop, poor staff morale and costs, thinks to bother/does not care they thus do not understand or appreciate the impact of a zero marketing budget for their poker tournaments...after all by not marketing they are keeping their head office bosses happy, and therefore do not mind canning mailed flyers, trade press ads for their events Later in 2008 when numbers tumble further they will ask "why?" and market again Just a guess. Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: Dingdell on March 16, 2008, 02:28:00 PM No dtd tonight, Trace. Still recovering from last night's lack of airbag moment You've been on a diet ? Tighty and I were involved in an unbelievable accident last night in MK and the airbag didn't go off - we are still staggered by it. Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: RED-DOG on March 16, 2008, 02:29:26 PM My best guess is that Grosvenor Head Office know little about Poker marketing, do not understand how useful forums can be to promote their business and possibly had a fraternisation scare a while ago They decide to issue an edict that staff employed in card-rooms should not post on fora Staff at Luton are staggered given the promotion they do (and players do for them) on blonde, send Carmel into bat and Carmel gets a "pass" for Nina as representative No other casino/poker manager within the Grosvenor estate, pre-occupied with poor casino drop, poor staff morale and costs, thinks to bother/does not care they thus do not understand or appreciate the impact of a zero marketing budget for their poker tournaments...after all by not marketing they are keeping their head office bosses happy, and therefore do not mind canning mailed flyers, trade press ads for their events Later in 2008 when numbers tumble further they will ask "why?" and market again Just a guess. So in answer to my question, you don't think it was down to the the GC then.....? Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: RED-DOG on March 16, 2008, 02:30:31 PM No dtd tonight, Trace. Still recovering from last night's lack of airbag moment You've been on a diet ? Tighty and I were involved in an unbelievable accident last night in MK and the airbag didn't go off - we are still staggered by it. Perhaps the GC insisted....... Sorry. I do hope that you are both OK. Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: TightEnd on March 16, 2008, 02:31:49 PM My best guess is that Grosvenor Head Office know little about Poker marketing, do not understand how useful forums can be to promote their business and possibly had a fraternisation scare a while ago They decide to issue an edict that staff employed in card-rooms should not post on fora Staff at Luton are staggered given the promotion they do (and players do for them) on blonde, send Carmel into bat and Carmel gets a "pass" for Nina as representative No other casino/poker manager within the Grosvenor estate, pre-occupied with poor casino drop, poor staff morale and costs, thinks to bother/does not care they thus do not understand or appreciate the impact of a zero marketing budget for their poker tournaments...after all by not marketing they are keeping their head office bosses happy, and therefore do not mind canning mailed flyers, trade press ads for their events Later in 2008 when numbers tumble further they will ask "why?" and market again Just a guess. So in answer to my question, you don't think it was down to the the GC then.....? no. I was merely suggesting we do not know why they don't post and hypothesised a scenario to explain it Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: RED-DOG on March 16, 2008, 02:35:16 PM My best guess is that Grosvenor Head Office know little about Poker marketing, do not understand how useful forums can be to promote their business and possibly had a fraternisation scare a while ago They decide to issue an edict that staff employed in card-rooms should not post on fora Staff at Luton are staggered given the promotion they do (and players do for them) on blonde, send Carmel into bat and Carmel gets a "pass" for Nina as representative No other casino/poker manager within the Grosvenor estate, pre-occupied with poor casino drop, poor staff morale and costs, thinks to bother/does not care they thus do not understand or appreciate the impact of a zero marketing budget for their poker tournaments...after all by not marketing they are keeping their head office bosses happy, and therefore do not mind canning mailed flyers, trade press ads for their events Later in 2008 when numbers tumble further they will ask "why?" and market again Just a guess. So in answer to my question, you don't think it was down to the the GC then.....? no. I was merely suggesting we do not know why they don't post and hypothesised a scenario to explain it Perhaps aliens are intercepting communications from all Grosvenor card room staff except Nina? Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: Dingdell on March 16, 2008, 02:36:38 PM No dtd tonight, Trace. Still recovering from last night's lack of airbag moment You've been on a diet ? Tighty and I were involved in an unbelievable accident last night in MK and the airbag didn't go off - we are still staggered by it. Perhaps the GC insisted....... Sorry. I do hope that you are both OK. The 'accident' was the film Vantage Point :D Great film but the last 10 mins of car chases through Madrid with several head on collisions and no sight nor sound of an air bag confused us. And when Dennis Quaid emerged through a shattered windscreen wearing a shirt whiter than when he got in the car we were a tad puzzled.... Good film though, cleverly constructed. Sorry for the confusion! Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: Royal Flush on March 16, 2008, 04:50:19 PM No DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) tonight, Trace. Still recovering from last night's lack of airbag moment You've been on a diet ? Tighty and I were involved in an unbelievable accident last night in MK and the airbag didn't go off - we are still staggered by it. Perhaps the GC insisted....... Sorry. I do hope that you are both OK. The 'accident' was the film Vantage Point :D Great film but the last 10 mins of car chases through Madrid with several head on collisions and no sight nor sound of an air bag confused us. And when Dennis Quaid emerged through a shattered windscreen wearing a shirt whiter than when he got in the car we were a tad puzzled.... Good film though, cleverly constructed. Sorry for the confusion! I did warn ya Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: blonde17 on March 16, 2008, 05:16:10 PM Aspades
Grosvenor have completely lost the plot.. What with the Ali malu incident and the couldn`t care less about customers..... marketing aproach. Add to that a tiered management system that has every casino manager protecting there own intrests rather than the good of the whole company and in general not allowing staff at the sharp end ie casino cardroom floor a say in how the cardrooms run!....This all points to a recipe for disaster for day to day tourneys. I used to be a regular at the £300 monthly at walsall but I will be switching to DtD £300 from April.... Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: RED-DOG on March 16, 2008, 05:23:11 PM Grosvenor have completely lost the plot.. What with the Ali malu incident Eh? Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: blonde17 on March 16, 2008, 05:26:29 PM Aspades
Old News Tom but mentioned it non the less...got kinda lost in New and Old posts. Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: Girgy85 on March 17, 2008, 12:34:15 AM Regarding Grosvenor Employees and online forums.
i recently got invited to a Grosvenor Merrion (Leeds) Facebook Group! i know its not a poker forum but it has the same similaraties and the new manager has set up a group to let customers know about upcoming events and poker schedules ect! i even got a personal message from the manager asking me if i had any suggestions on how to improve things. so maybe you could suggest something similar to your walsall grosvenor. just thought id share this with you. Cheers Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: AceofWands on March 17, 2008, 01:43:18 PM I thought the rules about fratenising with the punters were relaxed in the September rule changes. It is a common sight now around here to see dealers playing poker at different casinos from where they work.
Grosvenor Victoria, Newcastle, Bolton, Brighton and Huddersfield appear to have a Facebook presence also. http://www.facebook.com/srch.php?nm=grosvenor+casino Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: CRIPPIN on March 19, 2008, 11:26:43 PM The Tragic: The buffet was 'orrible! Three choices, all pasta, all looking like pig swill, and (according to the brave souls who actually tried to eat it) tasting like pig swill as well.
Mr Dog, suggest you don't order a steak there in the future cos the chef aint gonna be a happy chappy!! Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: Longines on March 20, 2008, 01:29:14 PM After reading this thread, I thought I'd ask a senior manager at Walsall when I was there last night who confirmed that there is no restriction on Grosvenor employees posting on this or any other forum.
Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: TightEnd on March 20, 2008, 01:32:23 PM thanks, thats interesting.
next time you're in, ask them to start posting information again please! Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: Longines on March 20, 2008, 01:38:30 PM I did that too - he said he'd give Danny a poke...
Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: TightEnd on March 20, 2008, 01:42:40 PM great, thanks
Title: Re: Grosvenor Walsall. The sad, the bad, and the tragic. Post by: Colchester Kev on March 20, 2008, 01:46:30 PM I did that too - he said he'd give Danny a poke... Lucky Danny :D |