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Ok, Now I was playing last night in a 100quid freezeout, got to the final 10 and we were going hand for hand, now Im on the button with 150,000 chips with 950,000 in play, find aces, raise it too 22,000 with blinds at 3,000 - 6,000 someone re raises to 75,000 (only leaves himself 27,000 behind) I push all in after the small blind getting out the way.

Now he looks at the other table, stands up and just watches there game for about 3 minutes, whilst someone makes a decision, am I wrong to call clock after 3 minutes, knowing he is waiting for someone to push on the other table so he doesnt bubble?

and yes, someone pushed on other table got knocked out before he did (time wise? according to the TD), he calls now knowing he has cashed, all of 50 quid profit, minus drinks, foods, tips etc, was I wrong to call clock, oh and he re raised me with 7,2 off, hoping to show a MAJOR BLUFF he said!

3 minutes was over-generous - after ten seconds of him looking at the other table I'd have said something. What happens if the guy at the other table does the same thing - nothing would happen.

Never looked at it like that, in the slightest to be honest!

3 minutes is ok to call a clock imo

On a slight tangent, if a tourney is hand for hand and two players go out on the same hand, do they still get ranked according to chip stack at start of the hand, or do they share the placing irrespective of chip stacks?

The tourney should be hand for hand and they should chop the prize money if they go out on the same hand.

As for his tactics, its all abit lol and i would have called a clock on him as soon I knew what he was up to. I have never called a clock on anyone but in these circumstances, I think its only fair to do so.

The majority rule that the higher chip stack gets the money.....although more and more are splitting the Money

If  2 players go out at the same time and they are on different tables they chop the money,
If 2 players both go out in the same hand from the same table the higher chip stack gets the money

I would of done the same.

What is this over bet pre? 22k on 3-6?

LOL, Gay raises FTW, 17k to play obv

oh, 22k seemed to be what everyone was raising pre, if they werent pushing.

4,000 - 8,000 - the raise was 32,000 pre flop mainly.

and 5,000 - 10,000 (blinds capped - 4 way) the raise was 50,000... I was following the crowd ha ha

indeed..as soon as he stands watching the other table I would even ask the TD to rule his hand dead as he obviously has no interest in his hand anymore. I hate angle shooters like that and they should be treated with the contempt they deserve.

people doing that is instant grounds for calling the floor and i believe would be penalised.

afaik as soon as someone steps up and away from their cards (even if to look at another table) their hand should be dead as long as they are not AI

It's the final table bubble...you have A-A...there are currently 234,000 chips sitting in the middle...and your oppo is fretting about calling. I couldn't give a stuff what's happening at the other table. I would sit back, relax, and enjoy the moment. The dealer can play policeman if he wants to....I'm too busy enjoying myself.

Surely you want him to fold, given that he has so little back compared to the size of the pot. (unless I have misread!)

Why would I want him to fold, when I could take all his chips in one hand, burst the bubble and take a very strong player out of the game? of Do i hope he calls with his 7,2 and the flop hits 7, 2 or something, dont be silly!

indeed..you don't want him to fold..you do want him to get a severe kick in the nuts for being a twat though.

Calling for the clock in Tournament Play should be strongly discouraged, & it's much mis-used, usually by insignificant little men who are hen-pecked husbands, & sitting at a Poker Table wielding players rights is as near as they ever get to exerting authority in their sad little lives.

In my opinion, that is........

Well, Tikay, very interesting way of putting it, personally i thought the bloke was taking the piss and last night try'd to explain why he did it and got shot by alot of the people around him.

He said he had known he had screwed up, trying to bluff with 7,2 but least his cards were live and wwanted to wait for the other bloke to make sure he cashed

(chip counts would of brought a different out come too)

I felt what he was doing was very wrong, and kind of noticed after 2 minutes, gave him  another and called clock, i seriously dont see anything wrong with this, knowing he is throwing his chips in anyway!

I completely agree BUT this case is a bit special in that the guy whom you'd be calling the clock on is actively trying to screw over another player (and not in the "bluff you out of a pot" sort of way.

Oh, of course, absolutely, yes, there are certain cases where it's justified. About 2% of the total, I'd say. May even be less - say 1 in 50.

lmao

Oh, & to be serious for a moment, I have never put the clock on a player in my life, & I hope I never will. I don't need to resort to cheap shots, I can manage by playing within the spirit of the game, which is a leisure pursuit, not a race.

And in most cases, it's hen-pecked husb - oops, felt another rant coming on there.....

please post the rant somewhere...I could do with a good read and well, am fairly partial to a good rant myself :)

But a few minutes or hours to you are irrelevant because you've been alive for so long, like an ancient tree.  In fact, you wouldn't call the clock on a player, you'd call a calendar. 

CLOCK!

surely any half decent TD would realize what was going on if both table were stalling waiting for action on the other table and would tell the players in question to get their @r$e$ in gear anyway?

lmao

I think in the OP situation it was just one person, not both.

However, surely there should be something in the rules to prohibit this? Hand for hand isn't seen everywhere, but surely it should be "in hand for hand play on the bubble, if 2 players exit within the same hand, the player with the lowest chip count at the commencement of the hand will finish in the lower position." Commencement of the hand could be defined by the TD saying "play" like he does at the start of all hands when HFH.

I can't see any loopholes with that, can you?