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Title: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: jpean on March 17, 2008, 09:21:50 AM Here is the hand report
PokerStars Game #16039596884: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/03/17 - 05:10:44 (ET) Table 'Eurymedon II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: jaco527 ($12.58 in chips) Seat 2: Da "Jerk" ($3.69 in chips) Seat 3: jennababy1 ($14.03 in chips) Seat 4: flopo2007 ($6.70 in chips) Seat 5: el_tiradito ($6.24 in chips) Seat 6: julienfetus ($12.57 in chips) Seat 7: CAPTN H0WDY ($5.76 in chips) Seat 8: Chronicguy ($3.62 in chips) Seat 9: Karen668 ($9.93 in chips) jennababy1: posts small blind $0.02 flopo2007: posts big blind $0.05 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to julienfetus [7s 7h] el_tiradito: raises $0.10 to $0.15 julienfetus: calls $0.15 CAPTN H0WDY: calls $0.15 Chronicguy: folds Karen668: raises $0.35 to $0.50 jaco527: folds Da "Jerk": folds jennababy1: folds Chronicguy is sitting out flopo2007: folds el_tiradito: calls $0.35 julienfetus: calls $0.35 CAPTN H0WDY: calls $0.35 *** FLOP *** [8c Js 7d] el_tiradito: checks julienfetus: bets $1 CAPTN H0WDY: folds Karen668: raises $2 to $3 el_tiradito: folds julienfetus: raises $9.07 to $12.07 and is all-in Karen668: calls $6.43 and is all-in *** TURN *** [8c Js 7d] [4s] *** RIVER *** [8c Js 7d 4s] [3d] *** SHOW DOWN *** julienfetus: shows [7s 7h] (three of a kind, Sevens) Karen668: shows [Jh Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks) Karen668 collected $19.93 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $20.93 | Rake $1 Board [8c Js 7d 4s 3d] Seat 1: jaco527 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: Da "Jerk" (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: jennababy1 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 4: flopo2007 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 5: el_tiradito folded on the Flop Seat 6: julienfetus showed [7s 7h] and lost with three of a kind, Sevens Seat 7: CAPTN H0WDY folded on the Flop Seat 8: Chronicguy folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: Karen668 showed [Jh Jd] and won ($19.93) with three of a kind, Jacks Can I be criticize here ? Should I re-re-raise her ? Is it the kind of unavoidable bad beats ? Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: EvilPie on March 17, 2008, 09:33:38 AM There's no escape here unless you're some kind of poker god.
Maybe in a tournament you could get away if you're ultra tight and have got a good read but in cash there's just no way. Unlucky Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: boldie on March 17, 2008, 10:07:35 AM Just unlucky my friend. I never ever fold bottom set here.
Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: LeKnave on March 17, 2008, 10:24:45 AM cooler. just unlucky.
Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: bhoywonder on March 17, 2008, 10:36:35 AM as the guys said
u played ok just unlucky,that happens Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: jpean on March 17, 2008, 10:38:00 AM In fact, I knew her range... she only could have JJ, QQ, or KK (or AA)... but, even knowing that, I moved in hoping she didn't have what she had cause in the Phil Gordon's book, I remember he say (sorry I've it in French) something like :
"When I flop a set, I don't never mind if someone has a better one. that's happens one time to 100, so with that odd, I'm happy to risk everything" But even knowing that, I knew her range... so the decision was hardier... Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: boldie on March 17, 2008, 10:50:13 AM In fact, I knew her range... she only could have JJ, QQ, or KK (or AA)... but, even knowing that, I moved in hoping she didn't have what she had cause in the Phil Gordon's book, I remember he say (sorry I've it in French) something like : "When I flop a set, I never mind if someone has a better one. that's happens one time to 100, so with that odd, I'm happy to risk everything" But even knowing that, I knew her range... so the decision was hardier... you put her on 4 diferent hands..only 1 of them kills you..that means you still have to put your chips in the middle. Your man Gordon was right. Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: jpean on March 17, 2008, 10:53:10 AM Ok, I understand what you mean...
thanks guys ! Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: geeforce1 on March 17, 2008, 11:01:38 AM There's no escape here unless you're some kind of poker god. Maybe in a tournament you could get away if you're ultra tight and have got a good read but in cash there's just no way. Unlucky i think this theory is flawed. in a tourny the blind structure increases the pressure on chips, therefore IMO you must be more willing to go with your hand (u are killing his range). the days of tourny chips being precious are long gone. although in this case my chips would be long gone, cash or MTT Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: jpean on March 17, 2008, 11:08:02 AM There's no escape here unless you're some kind of poker god. Maybe in a tournament you could get away if you're ultra tight and have got a good read but in cash there's just no way. Unlucky i think this theory is flawed. in a tourny the blind structure increases the pressure on chips, therefore IMO you must be more willing to go with your hand (u are killing his range). the days of tourny chips being precious are long gone. although in this case my chips would be long gone, cash or MTT I think it depends if you are at the begining or at a more advenced level of the MTT... at the begining, folding is possible IMO, but when blinds are big, I never fold that in MTT except MAYBE at the bubble if I'm covered... Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: geeforce1 on March 17, 2008, 11:28:48 AM There's no escape here unless you're some kind of poker god. Maybe in a tournament you could get away if you're ultra tight and have got a good read but in cash there's just no way. Unlucky i think this theory is flawed. in a tourny the blind structure increases the pressure on chips, therefore IMO you must be more willing to go with your hand (u are killing his range). the days of tourny chips being precious are long gone. although in this case my chips would be long gone, cash or MTT I think it depends if you are at the begining or at a more advenced level of the MTT... at the begining, folding is possible IMO, but when blinds are big, I never fold that in MTT except MAYBE at the bubble if I'm covered... again not my philosophy. at the bubble Vs someone that has you covered (esp if they have a lot more chips) their range becomes wider. but i do agree that earlier on hands are more foldable. Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: EvilPie on March 17, 2008, 02:05:44 PM There's no escape here unless you're some kind of poker god. Maybe in a tournament you could get away if you're ultra tight and have got a good read but in cash there's just no way. Unlucky i think this theory is flawed. in a tourny the blind structure increases the pressure on chips, therefore IMO you must be more willing to go with your hand (u are killing his range). the days of tourny chips being precious are long gone. although in this case my chips would be long gone, cash or MTT I covered myself by saying maybe. I don't think I'd have got away from it. It'd have to be a very slow structure tournament (2 days, 45/60 min blinds) early stages to get away but even then I'd struggle to find a reason. I think I'd be more scared of the 9, 10 for the straight than the other trips, you just don't see it that often. I do think my tournament chips are precious though. I'm not giving them up without a fight ;D Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: AlexMartin on March 19, 2008, 01:54:32 PM In fact, I knew her range... she only could have JJ, QQ, or KK (or AA)... but, even knowing that, I moved in hoping she didn't have what she had cause in the Phil Gordon's book, I remember he say (sorry I've it in French) something like : "When I flop a set, I don't never mind if someone has a better one. that's happens one time to 100, so with that odd, I'm happy to risk everything" But even knowing that, I knew her range... so the decision was hardier... well played jp, nice hand reading skills ;) just unlucky with the result. Bear in mind that 4-way they might not be inclined to overplay an overpair as much, which lightens QQ/KK from their range. People still play aces like theres no tomorrow however. Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: jpean on March 19, 2008, 02:15:22 PM well played jp, nice hand reading skills ;) just unlucky with the result. Thx... but that is exactly what is sometimes annoying in poker : well playing and loosing... (hopefully not always !) Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: mondatoo on March 19, 2008, 09:10:06 PM Would every1 be folding qq or kk on this flop don't think i would be.By reading your 2 pha topics it seems you are doubting your play when both times you just got clod deck and unless your super super tight you aint folding.
Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: jpean on March 19, 2008, 09:14:38 PM You're right, when I play tournements, I'm very very tight, ..
maybe I should'nt, but these days playing like that made me being paid 3 times in a row ... but in cash games, I'm not so tight before the flop, and I "re-tight" after... Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: geeforce1 on March 21, 2008, 07:39:33 AM You're right, when I play tournements, I'm very very tight, .. maybe I should'nt, but these days playing like that made me being paid 3 times in a row ... but in cash games, I'm not so tight before the flop, and I "re-tight" after... dont mean to sound harsh, but isnt this loose passive? Title: Re: Have I made a mistake here ? Post by: jpean on March 21, 2008, 10:22:48 AM Yes, maybe I'm too passive in cash game...
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