Title: Is this justified? Post by: Ollie6 on March 19, 2008, 06:51:56 PM Is this the worst play ever by me (hero)? A few things to bear in mind -
- I'm the shortstack here at a relatively late stage of the Sit & Go and, though it's a min bet each time, it actually accumulates to = nearly half my original stack - How do you rate the flat call to the min-raise preflop? - Villain is an EXTREMELY strange player, a calling station who has a tendency to lead out post flop with pot sized bets - Villain has occasionally been caught playing big hands overly slowly ***** Poker Hand History for Game 329245377 ***** NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee, Level:6 Blinds(100/200-(no ante)) - Wednesday, March 19, 18:19:37 GMT 2008 $10+$1 NL Holdem #1632001 Table 1 6-max (Real Money) Seat 5 is the button Total number of active players : 3 Seat 2: Villain ( 4,105 ) Seat 4: Hero ( 2,150 ) Seat 5: bushdoc ( 2,745 ) Tourney Level:6 Blinds(100/200-(no ante)) Villain posts small blind [100] Hero posts big blind [200] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Hero [ 8s, 2s ] bushdoc folds Villain raises to [400] Hero calls [200] ** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 2c, Kc ] Villain bets [200] Hero calls [200] ** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ] Villain bets [200] Hero calls [200] ** Dealing River ** [ 4d ] Villain bets [200] Hero calls [200] ** Showdown ** Anyway, let me know your thoughts. Showdown to follow depending on demand. Cheers, Ollie Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: jpean on March 19, 2008, 07:43:12 PM he had something like 88 or JJ isn't ir ?
whatever he had, Ithink that you may fold on the river... you only had bottom pair... Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: ZZZZZZZROPE on March 19, 2008, 09:43:22 PM im folding pre, im guessing you could shove if you think his min bet it just trying to take ure bb as cheaply as possible, usually not though, but as you said he is a calling station this would be a silly shove. i shoving quite ligh on the sb and dealer button instead. so basically im folding here pre
Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: AlexMartin on March 20, 2008, 01:54:43 AM fold pre, postflop i actually like. But bear in mind i am a terrible player.
Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: Woody502 on March 20, 2008, 02:10:39 AM Fold pre flop - 10 x BB in a SNG equals push or fold time for me.
Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: Longy on March 20, 2008, 02:32:09 AM Fold pre flop - 10 x BB in a SNG equals push or fold time for me. Totally agree with this and is one of the 2 or 3 simple rules to be comptent in sngs. Post flop is fine, you are rarely good by the river but you don't have to be to make the call good. Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: Horneris on March 20, 2008, 03:48:44 PM move up pls.
Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: ZZZZZZZROPE on March 20, 2008, 05:34:59 PM move up pls. lolTitle: Re: Is this justified? Post by: Ironside on March 20, 2008, 05:42:12 PM fold pre
post flop nothing wrong maybe a push on flop Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: Longy on March 20, 2008, 06:11:44 PM maybe a push on flop Fold all worse hands and get called by all better hands? Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: ZZZZZZZROPE on March 20, 2008, 08:42:12 PM im confused to why people think the post flop play is ok!
Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: Ironside on March 20, 2008, 09:57:33 PM maybe a push on flop Fold all worse hands and get called by all better hands? nah he might fold a pair smaller than the king he could call with a club (ok your not in great shape against the flush draw and 2 overs to your pair its nearly a coin flip yeah he is a calling station but even calling stations fold now and then Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: Benny Brox on March 20, 2008, 10:23:03 PM Villain's a calling station!? Hero calls pre,flop,turn and river!? LOL - You've also said he likes to play big hands slowly, which could be happening here with his sweetening bets.
For me it's a fold pre but if I'm playing it I'd rather push pre-flop (does a stop n go work here?). I don't really like calling off half my chips with bottom pair no kicker when I'm already short and no idea of where I am in the hand. He could have a medium pocket here a lot. Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: ZZZZZZZROPE on March 21, 2008, 02:45:18 PM Villain's a calling station!? Hero calls pre,flop,turn and river!? LOL - You've also said he likes to play big hands slowly, which could be happening here with his sweetening bets. agree!!For me it's a fold pre but if I'm playing it I'd rather push pre-flop (does a stop n go work here?). I don't really like calling off half my chips with bottom pair no kicker when I'm already short and no idea of where I am in the hand. He could have a medium pocket here a lot. Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: Grey_Pete on March 22, 2008, 09:50:15 PM Trust your gut and if it feels right chuck it all in, if not run away.
Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: KarmaDope on March 25, 2008, 10:28:00 AM I call pre for one reason: I want a flush or 2 pair min.
I'm folding post flop. Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: Ollie6 on March 25, 2008, 01:44:07 PM I take the point about preflop - I should probably have folded, though he had been chucking out min raises very frequently preflop, so I thought his range might be quite wide and I could donk postflop (I turned out to be wrong about this).
Postflop I just felt that, if Villain had a hand, the action would have sped up a lot considering our stack sizes in relation to the pot - but given that he had slowplayed big hands in this way before, I wanted to get to the showdown without committing my entire stack and show a hand which could beat the low end of his range (I took the high end to be a king, but this didn't seem likely). I thought all the way through - 'he's min raising and min betting here, that shows very little strength doesn't it?' Anyway, the showdown is as follows: ** Showdown ** Villain shows [ Jd, Ad ] high card Ace Hero shows [ 8s, 2s ] a pair of Deuces ** Hand Conclusion ** Hero wins 2,000 from main pot with a pair of Deuces ************ Game 329245377 ends ************ This really isn't a hidden brag or anything, because I think on the whole I lucked out after playing the hand quite strangely. Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: boldie on March 25, 2008, 02:02:14 PM I take the point about preflop - I should probably have folded, though he had been chucking out min raises very frequently preflop, so I thought his range might be quite wide and I could donk postflop (I turned out to be wrong about this). yeah but not as wide as 28 suited ;) Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: Royal Flush on March 25, 2008, 04:11:09 PM Shove or fold pre
Title: Re: Is this justified? Post by: TheChipPrince on March 25, 2008, 04:22:16 PM I call pre for one reason: I want a flush or 2 pair min. I'm folding post flop. Both of which are laughable odds for you to call with 11 BB's, fold or shove... |