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Anyone else play this regularly enough? I've started playing 2/4, 3/6 and some 5/10 when it's around. Would like it if I had someone to talk about hands, etc.

u should try them in dealer's choice...action glore...not like the passive chasers online

gryffles use to play it , i play odd times but not to your level

starting hand requirements are 80% of the game imo. I played stud for over 10 years before I even discovered omaha or texas btw and its probably my favourite game.

Ive had some success in Stud Hi Lo  ;whistle;

spot on

Isn't that more super stud?

an what do you think superstud is? its hilo stud with a little boost to hep you with your starting hand. If you dont know the difference between your 235s v your QQJ you can call it whatever you want- you aint gonna win at the game.

they do play stud hi/lo in DC and super stud is just stud hi/lo with better starting hands which makes hand selection the most important thing. I dont think I've played either game long enough to be 'pro' but i did spent alot of time working out odds for many situations.
stud is not as complicated as holdem or omaha, to me, its the most mathematically based game.
Its a shame that stud is not being played much these days, I'm sure the pros will have a bigger edge in stud than say holdem.
and whats the deal with stud being PL or NL in uk? its a limit game!!!

5-3-2 is 5 high, Q-Q-J is a pair of Queens with a Jack high kicker obv. ;)

i wonder if anyone's actually done the maths for DC games like the depth that's available everywhere for holdem and omaha? the maths aspect of holdem and omaha has really changed the way everyone approach holdem and omaha and has really risen all standards of poker. But DC games are usually being played by the same groups of pple and i very much doubt even the season pros at DC games knows much about the true odds of a lot of different situations...
eg i done some maths for super stud and found out that high hands are more sometimes more profitable than pple think...the standard thought is that u have to play a low hand thats capable of winning a high as well..dont go for only half the pot. But true odds show that HU a high hand is almost always favourite over the low drawing hand. And most pple always forget that if u start with 3 low cards, it'll outdraw made high hands a low percentage of the time and also they make low hands less than 50% of the time...this makes some high starting hands playable and show profit in the long term.

I understand that High hands can be profitable in a multiway pot.

The one thing I was told is that "A high hand can never improve to win both high and low, whereas a low hand can improve to make a high hand aswell" - pretty obvious really but worth mentioning for beginners

Surely high hands are more profitable HU? There won't always be a low hand, but there will always be a high hand.

I did :) I changed name kinda surprised someone remembers that I mentioned it here given I'm an online guy and dont know anyone here IRL.
I played 1/2-3/6 on stars a ton for a decent winrate. I'm playing NL now a lot more and havnt played much stud8 lately.

I think the keys to stud8 are understanding your equity vs an opponents hand ( www.twodimes.net has a stud8 equity calculator which is incredibly useful for getting your play street by street in order as your equity changes immensely across the streets.

The second key is really paying attention to your opponents: for example Player A will fold 4th if he misses and you catch good, player B will not fold 4th if he misses and you catch good - you can bluff player A with scary boards and steal from him a ton when you're in late position and can steal - not so much from player B.

The biggest mistakes you will see are people not folding on early streets and folding too much on 7th.

to reply to a few of the points people have mentioned.

#1Instigator - To put it simply yes, www.twodimes.net has equity calcs, the better players will not only know their odds to hit various draws but also their equity on every street and will put in really thing 52/48 type bets in.

M3boy - high hands become much more profitable in shorthanded play. In an 8 handed game with JJ3 in first position you can safely muck, in a three handed game you should be raising.  Its crucial to stud8 success online to understand how the dynamics change as you go add another player to the game as the game plays 8 handed and the player pool isnt incredibly deep which means games can frequently break or play shorthanded for hours. Not like 9 handed hold'em where if a table gets short handed you can join the other 5 billion tables.

The key is to look like a stud player

What I was getting at is if the pot is split, and you have the high, the more players in the pot, the better return you get. ie 1/2 of a 5 way pot is alot better than 1/2 of a 3 way pot.

Obv you need to be sure you have the best high hand.

I played the 100/200 limit hi lo stud game on Stars for a short period of time at the end of last year profitably the game seemed to break for an extended period of weeks and has only just picked up again. Totally agree all about starting hands but i also only tend to play when i recognise 1 or 2 particularly bad Laggro or passive players.

i used to play quite a bit of this in hu's sngs, always quite enjoyed it and made a profit. we play super stud at the casino in the DC game (i introduced it) but now they play it with a floater and it's friggin stupid.

Starting hands are essential!!!!!!

Oh absolutely, the problem in big multiway pots that you'll need a monster to start with, you're not going to go to war with Aces or Kings up against lots of drawing lows that might already be freerolling the high half of the pot against you. Against just one player you can feel more comfortable.

Love the river :D


Full Tilt Poker Game #5842134170: Table Pleasant Hill - $3/$6 Ante $0.50 - Limit Stud H/L - 13:37:26 ET - 2008/03/30
Seat 1: nicvec ($72.50)
Seat 2: tazzetta ($59.50)
Seat 3: Numero24 ($84.50)
Seat 4: RadioHaze ($32.50)
Seat 5: Foaming_Homer ($117.50)
Seat 6: caps2222 ($45)
Seat 7: wwthree ($95.50)
Seat 8: timmythekid1 ($80)
tazzetta antes $0.50
nicvec antes $0.50
Foaming_Homer antes $0.50
wwthree antes $0.50
RadioHaze antes $0.50
timmythekid1 antes $0.50
Numero24 antes $0.50
caps2222 antes $0.50
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to nicvec [As]
Dealt to tazzetta [6c]
Dealt to Numero24 [Qs]
Dealt to RadioHaze [Th]
Dealt to Foaming_Homer [3s 2c] [Ad]
Dealt to caps2222 [Jd]
Dealt to wwthree [Tc]
Dealt to timmythekid1 [4h]
timmythekid1 is low with [4h]
timmythekid1 brings in for $1
nicvec calls $1
tazzetta calls $1
Numero24 calls $1
RadioHaze folds
Foaming_Homer completes it to $3
caps2222 folds
wwthree folds
timmythekid1 folds
nicvec calls $2
tazzetta calls $2
Numero24 calls $2
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to nicvec [As] [8h]
Dealt to tazzetta [6c] [9d]
Dealt to Numero24 [Qs] [2s]
Dealt to Foaming_Homer [3s 2c Ad] [6h]
nicvec checks
tazzetta checks
Numero24 checks
Foaming_Homer bets $3
nicvec calls $3
tazzetta calls $3
Numero24 calls $3
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to nicvec [As 8h] [8d]
Dealt to tazzetta [6c 9d] [7c]
Dealt to Numero24 [Qs 2s] [Jc]
Dealt to Foaming_Homer [3s 2c Ad 6h] [4c]
nicvec checks
tazzetta checks
Numero24 checks
Foaming_Homer bets $6
nicvec calls $6
tazzetta calls $6
Numero24 calls $6
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to nicvec [As 8h 8d] [Ah]
Dealt to tazzetta [6c 9d 7c] [Kd]
Dealt to Numero24 [Qs 2s Jc] [9c]
Dealt to Foaming_Homer [3s 2c Ad 6h 4c] [6s]
nicvec bets $6
tazzetta folds
Numero24 calls $6
Foaming_Homer raises to $12
nicvec calls $6
Numero24 calls $6
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to Foaming_Homer [3s 2c Ad 6h 4c 6s] [6d]
nicvec checks
Numero24 checks
Foaming_Homer bets $6
nicvec calls $6
Numero24 folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Foaming_Homer shows [6d 3s Ad 6h 4c 6s 2c] three of a kind, Sixes, for high and 6,4,3,2,A, for low
nicvec mucks
Foaming_Homer wins the high pot ($49) with three of a kind, Sixes
Foaming_Homer wins the low pot ($49) with 6,4,3,2,A

As a poker player who cut his teeth on stud poker, in both the 7card and 5card full deck variety, and later on in the 5card stripped  deck , which became by far my best game, I do have a problem with super-stud.

Stud poker is all about remembering the passed cards and therefore having a good idea of what cards are live and what are not, but in super-stud the passed cards come back into play so we are in effect playing with two decks of cards.

I love stud8, imho it is one of the most skillful and action-packed forms of the game, both limit and pot-limit.

the old old advice on these games are like some of u say 'u can only win the whole pot if u start with a low' which hold some truth. eg starting with 345 (all hearts) not so much with 237.
therefore if u play high hands, they will hold up MOST of the time (not so much in a mutli-way pot eg AA against 5 pple) there will be times when the low drawing hand ur up against will scoop against you but there will also be those times that the low hand does not make anything and you scoop.
It is a really maths based game, reads and bluffs are not nearly as useful as holdem.
Another old advice 'dont get freerolled on' for this you need to regconise the % frequency you'll lose while getting 'freerolled' on.
eg. A2367 against QQQ65 with two cards to come. Obviously the low MADE hand is 'freerolling' on the high hand. That does not mean you should fold? depending what in the middle + the % frequency the low hand can improve to beat the high hand, you have a pretty simple decision to call almost always...WHILE GETTING FREEROLL.
you'll hear pple say hu and hu getting lucky while he was being freerolled...the guy puts all his money in and get lucky...some of these 'lucky hands' might hold up more than 90% of the time...now is that still luck?
The problem with pot limit stud is that no one normally sits that deep...so almost always, there is NO decision on the 5th, 6th and 7th street...everyone is normally all-in by 5th. This will definately increase the 'luck' factor and sort of ruins the game since 6th and 7th street decisions are very crucial in PL stud. It is sort of different in limit as it is almost always correct to call on the 6th and 7th street without much thought.

I always bitch when they say super stud with a floater, so finally someone plays it without last night, it's a bit late and i of course forget that we are playing without a floater and call off all my profit and a buy in when i would have folded on fourth street. most expensive and embarrassing.