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Title: Announcing your hand Post by: WarBwastard on April 08, 2008, 04:13:11 AM Are you allowed to verbally announce what your holes cards are while a hand is in progress? For example, you're heads-up you've shoved and your opponent is umming and ahhing about calling and asks you flat our what you have..are you allowed to tell him? As I understand it, in tournament poker you're not allowed to show your cards while the hand is in progress right? So I assumed perhaps wrongly, that that would also mean you couldn't verbally announce what you had either.
Or is it the other way round and you can't lie? You can't say I have Ace-King if you really hold pocket tens? This concerns tournament poker not cash games. Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: GlasgowBandit on April 08, 2008, 04:27:20 AM Are you allowed to verbally announce what your holes cards are while a hand is in progress? For example, you're heads-up you've shoved and your opponent is umming and ahhing about calling and asks you flat our what you have..are you allowed to tell him? As I understand it, in tournament poker you're not allowed to show your cards while the hand is in progress right? So I assumed perhaps wrongly, that that would also mean you couldn't verbally announce what you had either. Or is it the other way round and you can't lie? You can't say I have Ace-King if you really hold pocket tens? This concerns tournament poker not cash games. You can lie but you can't tell the truth. If you say you have AK and you have TT thats fine if you say you have AK and you do have it then your hands declared dead. Very strange rule to me. Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: I KNOW IT on April 08, 2008, 09:25:09 AM No longer applys in Walsall Grov. You can now announce your exact holdings(new rule apparently).
TBH I think that you should be allowed to say anything and its upto opponent to work out if you are lying or telling the truth. When there are limitations to what you can say a lot of grey areas can come into play Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: kinboshi on April 08, 2008, 10:08:22 AM You can announce your exact holdings at DTD as well. Tournaments and cash games I believe (but I could be wrong).
Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: TightEnd on April 08, 2008, 10:23:59 AM At G Luton the rule changed in the last two months, you can now declare your hand
Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: boldie on April 08, 2008, 10:36:16 AM You can announce your exact holdings at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) as well. Tournaments and cash games I believe (but I could be wrong). I was told you couldn't when I was there a few weeks ago..did they change this? (it's a stupid rule saying you can only lie about your hand) Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: kinboshi on April 08, 2008, 10:38:31 AM You can announce your exact holdings at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) as well. Tournaments and cash games I believe (but I could be wrong). I was told you couldn't when I was there a few weeks ago..did they change this? (it's a stupid rule saying you can only lie about your hand) I've only played a few tournaments there, so I don't know about them - but in the cash games you can announce what you want - including your exact holding. Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: boldie on April 08, 2008, 10:40:32 AM You can announce your exact holdings at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) as well. Tournaments and cash games I believe (but I could be wrong). I was told you couldn't when I was there a few weeks ago..did they change this? (it's a stupid rule saying you can only lie about your hand) I've only played a few tournaments there, so I don't know about them - but in the cash games you can announce what you want - including your exact holding. I only played cash...maybe I'm just confused though..it's easily done. Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: TightEnd on April 08, 2008, 10:53:20 AM For the OP, if its an issue for you check with the TD prior to the event at the venue you are playing at
As you can see, different places, different strokes! Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: kinboshi on April 08, 2008, 11:22:43 AM You can announce your exact holdings at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) as well. Tournaments and cash games I believe (but I could be wrong). I was told you couldn't when I was there a few weeks ago..did they change this? (it's a stupid rule saying you can only lie about your hand) I've only played a few tournaments there, so I don't know about them - but in the cash games you can announce what you want - including your exact holding. I only played cash...maybe I'm just confused though..it's easily done. Oh OK - you're definitely wrong then. Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: boldie on April 08, 2008, 11:28:05 AM You can announce your exact holdings at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) as well. Tournaments and cash games I believe (but I could be wrong). I was told you couldn't when I was there a few weeks ago..did they change this? (it's a stupid rule saying you can only lie about your hand) I've only played a few tournaments there, so I don't know about them - but in the cash games you can announce what you want - including your exact holding. I only played cash...maybe I'm just confused though..it's easily done. Oh OK - you're definitely wrong then. OK...nothing new there then. Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: kinboshi on April 08, 2008, 11:29:03 AM No - but it looks I was correct, for once.
Errrrrrrmmm, again regardless of my thoughts, the rule at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) is your hand will not be killed if you state your exact hand, but it is very poor etiquette to state any hand. Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: WarBwastard on April 08, 2008, 01:32:11 PM Thanks for the replies, essentially then it's one of those grey area's that's venue specific?
Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: M3boy on April 08, 2008, 01:36:44 PM Thanks for the replies, essentially then it's one of those grey area's that's venue specific? Definately. =chance lets you show one card in a tourney - not sure about 2 cards though. Your hand is still live Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: Simon Galloway on April 08, 2008, 03:36:07 PM You can lie but not tell the truth is a crap rule. You may as well have a 'no talking rule' as whatever talk takes place under this halfway house rule is baloney anyway.
If you can declare your hand, i.e. "I have 8h 8s and I am thinking of calling - how do you like that?" then that's fine - but does that constitute exposing your hand? If it does, does that mean that physically exposing your hand (i.e. actually flipping up 8h 8s) is now ok too? Or is the demarcation the fact that your opponent still has to decide if you are telling the truth or not....? Title: Re: Announcing your hand Post by: Paullie_D on April 08, 2008, 04:19:20 PM To the best of my knowledge, there is NO rule specifically denying anyone the option to tell the truth about one's holding WHEN HEAD'S UP.
Robert's Rules of Poker Quote Show one, show all. Players are entitled to receive equal access to information about the contents of another player’s hand. After a deal, if cards are shown to another player, every player at the table has a right to see those cards. During a deal, cards that were shown to an active player who might have a further wagering decision on that betting round must immediately be shown to all the other players. If the player who saw the cards is not involved in the deal, or cannot use the information in wagering, the information should be withheld until the betting is over, so it does not affect the normal outcome of the deal. Cards shown to a person who has no more wagering decisions on that betting round, but might use the information on a later betting round, should be shown to the other players at the conclusion of that betting round. If only a portion of the hand has been shown, there is no requirement to show any of the unseen cards. The shown cards are treated as given in the preceding part of this rule. The no disclosure issue is probably due to the TDA Rules Quote Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Therefore, players, whether in the hand or not, may not:
However, if you are HEADS UP then there are no other players to protect as your opponent doesn't count. |