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Is it just me or am i making a mistake time after time.  I seem to go broke with set over set a lot, A LOT!!,

Now on boards with no flush or straight draws, and i get my cash in with my set's only to find my bottom or middle set is almost dead to a massive set like queens Kings aces etc.

Now not one to complain, but i can only assume i am making some huge error with these hands.

Any pointers for baby sets?

This answer in 99.9% of situations is yes.

I have seen the odd hand where it was 3 way super deep against nits where the arguement for folding bottom set was well put. If you stack off with a set on non drawy boards, be happy.

Doyle says if your behind to bigger set after the flop, nothing you can do... Thats good enough for me...

What they said..nothing you can do mate.

It must be variance then, i had it happen to me 3 times today, bloody sickening

FullTiltPoker Game #5905275620: Table Tarraso (6 max) - $3/$6 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:14:16 ET - 2008/04/04
Seat 1: d3fault ($867)
Seat 2: icecoldkilla187 ($683.85)
Seat 3: UpTheMariners ($1,012.50)
Seat 4: InMemoriam ($925.45)
Seat 5: Ship It_DUCY ($1,502.70)
Seat 6: danzo2 ($241.60)
Ship It_DUCY posts the small blind of $3
danzo2 posts the big blind of $6
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UpTheMariners [6d 6s]
icecoldkilla187 folds
UpTheMariners raises to $21
InMemoriam folds
Ship It_DUCY has 15 seconds left to act
Ship It_DUCY raises to $75
danzo2 folds
UpTheMariners calls $54
*** FLOP *** [6h 4s 4d]
Ship It_DUCY bets $111
UpTheMariners calls $111
*** TURN *** [6h 4s 4d] [ Ahrt]
Ship It_DUCY checks
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners bets $282
Ship It_DUCY calls $282
*** RIVER *** [6h 4s 4d  Ahrt ] [Qd]
Ship It_DUCY checks
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners bets $544.50, and is all in
Ship It_DUCY calls $544.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
UpTheMariners shows [6d 6s] a full house, Sixes full of Fours
Ship It_DUCY shows [ Aspades Ad] a full house, Aces full of Fours
Ship It_DUCY wins the pot ($2,028) with a full house, Aces full of Fours
UpTheMariners adds $600
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2,031 | Rake $3
Board: [6h 4s 4d  Ahrt Qd]
Seat 1: d3fault is sitting out
Seat 2: icecoldkilla187 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: UpTheMariners showed [6d 6s] and lost with a full house, Sixes full of Fours
Seat 4: InMemoriam (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Ship It_DUCY (small blind) showed [ Aspades Ad] and won ($2,028) with a full house, Aces full of Fours
Seat 6: danzo2 (big blind) folded before the Flop




i felt there was a good chance i was beat here and i said to my mate on the river that there was a good chance hes got pocket aces here as ive played with this guy a fair bit. but came to the conclusion that if hes got me so be it ive still got push for value. i dont like posting bad beats on here but i think this is a good example why uve just gotta shove
for value on theses boards.

FullTiltPoker Game #5803849474: Table Megan (6 max) - $3/$6 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:46:12 ET - 2008/03/27
Seat 1: Jentu ($210.90)
Seat 2: joehazard ($247.45)
Seat 3: InMemoriam ($1,209)
Seat 5: UpTheMariners ($603)
Seat 6: d3fault ($694.80)
UpTheMariners posts the small blind of $3
d3fault posts the big blind of $6
Jentu posts $6
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UpTheMariners [4h  Ahrt]
Jentu checks
joehazard folds
InMemoriam folds
UpTheMariners calls $3
d3fault checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd 2c Th]
UpTheMariners checks
d3fault has 15 seconds left to act
TreDub sits down
d3fault checks
Jentu checks
*** TURN *** [Kd 2c Th] [3h]
TreDub stands up
UpTheMariners bets $18
d3fault raises to $72
Jentu folds
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners has requested TIME
UpTheMariners calls $54
*** RIVER *** [Kd 2c Th 3h] [5s]
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners checks
d3fault checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
d3fault shows [Kc Ts] two pair, Kings and Tens
UpTheMariners shows [4h  Ahrt] a straight, Five high
UpTheMariners wins the pot ($159) with a straight, Five high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $162 | Rake $3
Board: [Kd 2c Th 3h 5s]
Seat 1: Jentu folded on the Turn
Seat 2: joehazard didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: InMemoriam (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: UpTheMariners (small blind) showed [4h  Ahrt] and won ($159) with a straight, Five high
Seat 6: d3fault (big blind) showed [Kc Ts] and lost with two pair, Kings and Tens



this is another example were this guy in the long run just isnt going to get the maximum out of his hands. checking behind on the river is just really poor imo when theres very few hands that beat him.

There might be some cases where you can fold bottom set.  You would have to have at least 200bbs and have shown stregnth pre-flop, been called and the flop isn't drawy or likely to have hit two pair e.g 3 5 9 rainbow and the opponent is nitty.  However, these situations are very rare.

After a cooling off period, i have to say i was probably venting and whinging a wee bit, today Sets caused me no limit of trouble this week and today in particular, Truth is i probably tilted a bit too.

I usually throw a party when i hit my set.

*Takes note that when Mr Bingo throws a party he has a set and I can fold top 2 :)

In one of his books Phill Gordon says something like : <<When I flop a set, Somebody will have another set 1 time to 100. With that odd, I'm happy to risk all my chips>>...

But me too, I have lost 4 sets in 1 day (all in on the flop - few days ago) : 3 over sets and a backdoor flush...

I only really play heads up, but most of the time I go broke with a set over a set, especially if my opponent is aggressive. If he is an absolute nit and the board is a complete rainbow, then yes, I believe you can get away, but this very seldom occurs.