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OK, a decision I was faced with last night in a live tournament.  Blinds are 300/600 with 50 ante (9 handed so total 450) - I am sitting on 13k, average is 8k, not many chips on my table and I am table CL.  It's my BB: UTG limps and SB makes up.  I check with  Th Qh.  Flop comes  Td 8h 6s and SB moves all-in for 2.9k.......(UTG to act behind me has 4.5k behind)............

push in ur situation.

yeah push for me.

 ;all-in;

I call or push here.  I don't think it makes a huge lot of difference which you do.  If UTG calls too you can assume the rest of it is going in anyway, so shoving isn't getting him off in the first place. If he pushes it's only another 1.5k so you can't pass anyway.  UTG limps can be a bit dodgy, especially from someone with a shortstack.  It's possible he has an overpair, but only possible.  You have the opportunity to eliminate a player, and neither can damage your stack significantly.

You write quite well for a poker bird ;)

ps can you have a look at my hand on the pha please?

with your stack I'd have raised preflop happy to take whats in the pot.  As played I shove.

u raise q 10 with an utg limper?

You beat me to it lol.Definitly not making that play he can still do ur stack some damage

I'm not for giving my BB up lightly, lets put Mr Limpy to the test ;)

How are you giving your blind up when there's been no raise why not just check as claw did then if you hit the flop good you most likely will get his chips anyway.

UTG limps from UTG when he has less than 10 BBs..it's safe to assume he's shyte and can find a fold here...if he does not have a monster.

If UTG is any sort of player he open shoves here, no? I have lost count of the number of times I have seen players limp from EP with sh!t like 97, J9 etc etc if we check with what is an above average hand and a stack that we should be using to dominate the table it looks fairly weak IMO so I am happy in this spot to raise.

If we take your route and check as Claw has donce and hit TP the chances are we are calling any push from UTG here! So why not take the opportunity pre flop to stick in a smallish raise and try and pick up whats in the pot?

There's no way I'm raising with Q10 here.  If UTG is any sort of player he has limped hoping for a raise so he can shove.

If UTG is any sort of player he wouldn't limp here with a  monster as it says "I have a monster everybody" therefore you have to go by how he/she has played up to this point.

If they have been crap up to this point..it's safe to assume they still are and can find a fold here. Most players who limp UTG when they have less than 10BBs are terrible players so won't have a monster here.

Since when can terrible players fold?  We don't have any info on either player.  If he is shit then a raise may force a fold, or he may think "**** it" and lump the lot in with his KJ, but we don't have that information.

Claw what was your read on UTG?

OK. Claw..was the player any good or one of those weak passive people that believe they are`"Tight pre-flop, agressive after the flop"?

I'd only been sat at this table for two rounds so no real read on any of the players.  As it happens I thought the same as you Danni - a call or push is pretty much the same here with the size of UTG's stack.  I did consider getting out of the way tbh and all I'd have lost was my bb and ante, leaving me with a healthy stack to use once the button had passed (which is why I posted in on here).  As it was I called, UTG thought for a bit and pushed, and I had to call him, of course.

Re the suggestions about raising pre-flop - didn't enter my mind and I wouldn't do it if the same situation occurred.  Take the limper out of the equation and I'm almost definitely raising.

Did you win the pot?
What did the limper eventually have?

I lost the pot and the side pot ::)

limper had AT.  Not sure if he would have passed to a pre-flop raise, but I fancied his hand was a little stronger than that.

so limper was a poor player but he might have called a pre-flop shove.

no idea if he would have called or not.  To be honest, I'm not raising with QT in that spot whether the UTG limper is a bad player or a good one - either way I'm only getting called by a better hand every time.

If you would have raised it would have been a different flop :)

and how does that not apply to the flop?

A bad player (which this guy quite clearly is) can lay down the better hand though if you shove though..that's one of the reasons for raising pre-flop. A lot of the time a player who has less than 10 BB's and limps UTG is simply a poor and weak player who will sigh and fold their A10 and AJ or small pair and complain about how unlucky they are.

I wouldn't smooth call as there's still a chance I could make utg fold if he has a better hand. The stack sizes make this a push for me, you're guaranteed ore than half your stack back if it goes wrong.

hate raise pre, i like shove on flop.