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After wasting a couple of hours of my life watching Clinton Woods last night I'm looking forward to getting them back next weekend from Calzage.

Satanta are running features this week in the lead up - showing a decent amount of footage from a lot of his previous fights - Quality viewing. I think it might be a few years (after he's finished) until people fully realise how good he is.

I'd love to see him knock Hopkins out in the mid to late rounds but it looks like a points victory, if he can command the fight like he did against Lacy - without breaking his hands.

Come on Joe!!

Really looking forward to next weekend mostly for the derby game on the sunday but this will be a good build uo 4 it on the sat joe will kill him i have no doubt about that he's always been underrated but he fought too many poor fighters imo and should've went to america much sooner.WTF was fighting manfredo all about fair enough he may be a little regarded in america but that was a joke of a fight to make.

Calzaghe is a great fighter and will be classed as a top 20 all time fighter. I see Calzghe beating Hopkins quite convincingly and then a tougher test awaits in the form of Kelly Pavlik.

With the difference in size Calzaghe will beat Pavlik.

Agreed.

Been a bit off on my predictions lately, but.....

Calzaghe pummels Hopkins, wins every round or possible late stoppage. Hopkins retires.

Ditto Pavlik, he may be in his mid 30s but Calzaghe hasnt had many ageing fights in his career. His sheer work rate and power wins both.

Agreed.  Hopkins won't be able to cope with the pace Calzaghe sets.  He likes to coast through rounds at times and Calzaghe won't let him do that, I'm having a big bet on Calzaghe to win on points.  The Pavlik matchup would be a great fight although I think Calzaghe would have enough.

The clock countdown on setanta's website last week was pretty accurate to the start of the Woods fight, it was only 20 mins off. The clock for tonights fight has that it's on at 10.30pm - obviously the start of the show this time.

Anyway, predictions on a start time (BST), the first bell of the first round being the start...

i'm going for 4.37am. Think I'll have to get up at about 3am.

There are lots of build-up shows on Setanta all night.  The actual 'fight show' is on from 02:00-05:00.

So, that might suggest a 3 to 3:30 start time?

does anyone know how a non setanta subscriber can watch this????

ty

BBC has radio coverage from 3am. 

But to watch it without Setanta, your best bet is either a pub or casino - or there will be streams available on the net (the quality isn't usually brilliant though).

i could go to my mates to watch kin but the bairn is here. 

i was really looking for a dodgy stream online i found one for hatton in dec.....

i will keep looking

cheers

http://www1.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=10690&part=sports

Just heard on 5live that estimated start time is 4am    ;grr;

Dont know why everyone is so suprised and annoyed at a 4am start time.

4am is 8pm in Vegas  what time do you want them to fight lunchtime?

lunchtime would be good, 4am isn't so nice for me.

I'll mention it next time

cheers kin

i will check back later and hope it works....

gotta watch what i feel will be joes last fight..

greatest brittish boxer of all time??????

Would be better if it was 11pm vegas time imo then at least it would be morning and not during the night over here if it's out like the hatton fight then closer to a 5am start is more likely think i will give this a miss due to it being derby day tmoro and will try to watch this early in morning before going out.Anyone any suggestions for best way to watch this about 8am tmoro.


pretty sure this won't be joe's last fight m8 as he wants  at least 1 or 2 more big paydays yet.

There should be replays about that time on setanta.

What time are you going out before the match?!! Have you got a ticket or are you watching it in town?

If they put the fight on at 1ppm Vegas time then its 2am in the morning NY time and they will miss out on too many pay-per-view subscritions.  They arent conserned about what time the fight is on in the UK.

at the end of channel 5 news just now the newsreader said the fight was on five life from 3 a.m. pretty sure he's got that completely wrong though.

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There's only a three hour time difference between Las Vegas and NY.

Having said that I think its pretty clear that its currently on at its most profitable time.

The undercard isn't up to much.  I see Fraudley is making his comeback on it.

sure it wasnt five live at the end of bbc news??

oh, yeah, probs. that makes much more sense

I might've just assumed I was watching C5

c,mon, audley harrison is fighting, a big event surely.

who is harrison fighting?

a bum


this guy

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=141399&cat=boxer

There should be replays about that time on setanta.

What time are you going out before the match?!! Have you got a ticket or are you watching it in town?
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Going to my local at 10am then up to town 4 12 got a season ticket m8 going to go up early and soak up the atmosphere can't wait for it now.3-1 to newcastle

I will post a working sopcast stream if I am still awake.

Channel 37351 on sopcast is good. Live now

post the link please Linux

You need to dowload sopcast http://www.sopcast.org/. When you have installed that, sort the channels by id and go to 37351 (two dice). Let it buffer a little then watch

sop://broker1.sopcast.com:3912/35999

might take a couple of attempts, was telling me the channel was offline but it's running fine now

Joe Cortez again I see

I envisaged a better start

It couldnt have been much worse could it. Good test now.
80-1 shot nearly comes off.

COME ON JOE!!

ive had 20quid at 7s for hopkins to knock him out! come on son!

I just got up at 3 - any notable results on the undercard?

Round 5 - first round which has clearly been Joe's

very even so far. hopkins boxing smart but can he keep it up?

just got in. did joe go down in the 1st?

scotty, whats the tip on the first 2 rounds? hopkins in front?

Yeah, knocked down in first 10-8, second round tight, possibly Hopkins.

definately hopkins then, joe needs to win them all from now probably

These rounds are tough to score - Hopkins prob a few points ahead.

Calzaghe's round for me there - commentator on Setanta a bit optimistic thinking that it's level.

FFS Hopkins, how high up are his balls?

 :(

Joe need a KO?

for me hopkins is ahead, got to win last 2 definately

or a knockdown

I make in 96 93ish

great round, just  joe for me

Cortez is a mug.

Draw. American judges though...

Man if Joe wins it would be like Spurs winning a cup

lost by 1.

the big right in the 1st cost him imo

yeah, possible 3 point swing in the first

split

WOW

Get In!!!!!!!!

Im so fucking happy :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

judging of boxing is crazy, glad he won but how do 3 judges give it totally different?

116-111???

wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

wow. wtf was the 3rd judge watching?

simply not right, no way.

I think the third judge was late in and missed the knock down.

I though woodall was on something, but it appears the judges do like coming forward.

Not a great performance, but people won't remember that in a couple of years.

I really fancy a big british card at Wembly or Cardiff.

Roy Jones Junior at Wembley plz

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lol @ Hopkins interview

hopkins was funny but you have to agree that calzaghe never hurt him even a bit.

I had it to Calzaghe by 3 but wasn't that confident.  A lot of the rounds were messy and hard to score though.  Calzaghe was the one going forward trying to make the fight whereas Hopkins was spoiling and holding.  I dived in again in the last round and laid Hopkins at 1.43.

 ;yippee;

Not Calzaghe at his best but managed to grind out the win.

I'm no expert but i'd have been scoring the rounds for Joe simply cos he was coming forward - the rounds were so hard to call.

true, but u don't need to hurt someone to win a boxing match

On boxrec they all have Calzaghe a winner...

Yeah HBO had it 116-111 to Calzaghe as well.  Had he not got caught cold in the first it'd have been a comfortable points win.

I didn't score the fight round for round in game (which is pretty stupid given it was always likely to go the distance) and thought Hopkins had won it by 1 or 2 rounds, as a general overview of the fight.

Not a great performance by Joe by any means, but Hopkins is a sod to fight against.

Couldn't be happier with the result.

Punches landed

Calzaghe 232 (most ever landed on Hopkins in a fight)
Hopkins 127

Looking at it from a different point of view, what did Hopkins do to win it? Not much after the 4th round. He clearly had the stronger punch but that means nothing when you are throwing a fraction of punches your opponent is. The rounds Calzaghe didnt win from then on were arguably level anyway.

From a sheer pugilistic point of view, from a sheer points scoring point of view, Calzaghe cruised to victory. Obviously we all saw that it wasnt as easy as that, Willie Pep famously once won a round without landing a punch because he threw loads and forced the action, same thing, Joe forced the pace throughout.

It actually mirrored Joes fights with Robin Reid and Kessler, they both landed the meatier counter shots but nowhere near at a volume that was enough to win the fight.

Hopefully no rematch, ugly fight, but I reckon a calmer easier win from Joe if they did.

When i watched it first time, I though it was very close.

Just watched it again, and to be honest, Calzaghe won every round in the second half of the fight (and at least a few before then). The first round was obviously a 10-8 round for Hopkins, and you can give him a few other rounds at most.  The commentator annoyed me with the comment "he has to win the last two rounds big" - eh?  You win a round, you win a round.  Unless you get a knockdown or truly batter your opponent, it's 10-9, no matter how "big" you win it. 

So even with the 10-8 round, and if you give Hopkins all of the first four rounds (which I didn't by the way), then it would be 115-112 to Calzaghe.   Give Calzaghe the 4th as well and it's 116-111.

The 10th round was a case in point.  The commentary seemed to think that after the 'low blow' it was Hopkins' round.  Simply on scoring punches landed it was clearly Calzaghe's.

If there was a rematch, it would have to be in Cardiff, and have a British ref.  I thought Cortez was disgusting (again), and completely biased.   I can't see what Calzaghe would get from a rematch though (there is the money of course). 

As for Hopkins, he certainly doesn't look 43.  Still very much a handful, and you've got to wonder how a younger Hopkins would have done against Calzaghe.  I didn't like some of his 'tactics', but it's expected from Hopkins.  As for is belief that he'd won the fight, it's not surprising as his corner were telling him he was ahead after every round - and he believes what they say.  I think when he watches it again, he'll realise that he simply didn't do enough to win it.

On a side note, Audrey Harrison was more than disappointing again.  Never ends.

What Richie Woodhall meant, and was mirrored by Joes Dad, was that he had to win the last rounds convincingly, because so many of the ones before it could easily have been scored even if not for Calzaghe. I dont think he expected 10-8 rounds, just clear cut.

Cortez was awful, he took a point off Joe, yet Hopkins was grabbing from start to finish, going head first into everything and then pretending to have been whacked in the bollocks. Makes me wonder how things would have faired for Hatton if he had been as leniant. I think the sanctioning bodies need to review him as a referee after two less than adequete performances in two of the biggest fights of recent time.

Audley Harrison is a joke, for 8 years now he has been coming out with these 'I need a few more fights, you havent seen the best of me' crap and the fact of the matter is he is overrated, gunshy and lazy. In any other era of Heavyweight boxing he would be a journeyman and little more. I think the Amir Khan camp looked at the Audley Harrison model when they turned professional and decided to do the complete opposite.

I'd go with what Woodhall was saying, he certainly knows the game.  But it was Rawlings who was going on about needing to win the last two big.  They were both guilty of under-appreciating Calzaghe's work though in some rounds, and I guess this is because they were rooting for the British fighter and were worried that the judges might be leaning towards the home fighter.

Enzo was spot on with what he was saying to Joe.  You don't tell a fighter that he's winning it when the scoring could be very close.  You tell him he needs the rounds, otherwise he could lose it. In Hopkins corner, they kept on telling him he was in front, and he obviously believed this.


I don't think he did actually take a point off Joe (that would have made the scores a lot closer if he had though), but he let Hopkins hold, punch on the break, use his head, and then there were the 'low blows'.  Even Cortez lost his patience with Hopkins with the later one - and after giving Hopkins a few seconds, told him to fight on.


The most frustrating thing is that if he had an ounce of 'fight' in him, he has the speed, the power and the technical ability to be a good fighter in a very poor heavyweight division.  But he doesn't have it.


Just hope he doesn't follow the Naseem Hamed path...

Sorry, you are right, Rawlings was awful. In round four he said they were in round three and in round eleven he said three rounds left.

On a lighter (or not so light) note, anyone watch Ryan Rhodes win the Lonsdale belt on friday? He fought brilliantly, but they showed him next to Naz and it was tragic. They were once the golden boys of boxing and now Rhodes looked like old father time and Naz looked like a blimp.

Rhodes looked frighteningly old when they were talking to him before the fight.  But once in the ring, he looked very good.  Thought he fought really well, and if he continues to fight like that he can boss the British fighters and who knows?  Naz and Rhodes are about my age, and when they were up and coming it was when I was living in Sheffield and the Ingle gym was shining light of British boxing.  Shame it all went so wrong for those two.

Naz was so gifted, and effectively threw it all away.  Like I said, I hope Khan doesn't do the same - but you can see the warning signs already.  I'd like to think that Khan is more down to earth, but he needs to have the right people around him to keep his feet on the ground.

Leaving the Ingle gym was what ruined it for Naz. People forget what an amazingly good defensive boxer he could be at times, I remember when he fought Steve Robinson and literally was getting his chin within an inch of him, but still never getting hit. He believed his own hype and stopped training to win the rounds, his punch got him out of trouble to begin with, but he got found out. The Naz that beat Robinson would have beat anyone, including Barrera, of his generation.

And by strange contrast, I think Rhodes downfall was possibly the Ingle Gym. He is a very good, powerful, slick operator. The problem was that they tried to make him Naz 2, with the hands down style. Had they worked on a slightly more traditional defense I think he would have won a world title. That said, he'll keep the british title for a few fights at least if he fights the way he did on Friday.

Khan is a nice lad, but recently shown a few, tiny, hints he could be getting sloppy and believing his own hype. I hope not, as he is a real shot in the arm for the game.

Robinson, Johnson, Kelly - none of Naz's performances vs these guys could prepare him for Barrera. Barerra was a different league and I struggle to think of any version of Naz would have beaten a fighter of that calibre.