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When I qualified as a referee the rules involving handball were this:

A direct free kick, or penalty if the offence is within the pealty area, will be awarded for the infringement of handball.

A caution (they don't like the word booking!) is to be issued to any player where the referee believes the player is guilty of committing delibrate handball.

A player should be sent from the field of play if they deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity through delibrate handball.

It really boils my piss that Andy Gray and co seem to want to constantly go on about how it cant be a penalty because 'you can't tell me that was delibrate hand ball'. Well Andy, I don't F**king have to. Thats not the rule. Now I'm not saying that whenever the ball hits the hand that it should be a pen/free kick, but if a player is gaining an advantage (ie by making them selves bigger in blocking etc) by raising there arm away from their body then it has to be a penalty.

The best example is probably Steven Taylor for Newcastle yesterday. Although it kicked up of his foot it was handball. He thought it was handball judging by his embarrassing play acting of it having hit his thigh. (a smaller repeat of his over acting before being sent off v villa in the Dyer Bowyer fight game)

Thanks....

Andy Gray = clueless. Wish he would concentrate more on the players rather than the ref for a change.

PS Bit of a surprise Man United getting a penalty at Old Trafford today.  ;whistle;

Clear penalty, perfect view by the ref too


the rule is clear, if the arm is at all away from the side of the player's body then its a pen.... If not, then it can be ruled ball to hand and unavoidable therefore no pen

Im the same rooks, a qualified ref... Andy Gray knows cr@p about refereeing, but goes on and on about them. No wonder they cant do right from wrong. Ref @ Anfield today turned down 2 pens, 1 and one fee kick on edge of box..  2 wrong decisions IMO free kick and 1 pen when fredal took him down... but all the people that go on and on about the decisions have never stood in the middle and held a whislte in a competative game and seen how much time you have before making a decision.. ooo time for bed, im naggy, great post rooky

No idea, didn't see the game.  :D

Andy Gray is a Rangers man = non educated FACT :)

In general though I think commentators and summarisers are pretty clueless about the laws of the game and it sure irritates me when I listen to them spout nonsense on TV or Radio.

Handball is handball IMO, unless the hands are glued to a players side and there is no way whatsoever of him not getting out of the way would I not give a handball.

Well we're on about our footballing gripes, it does my tits in when players get away from red cards because they're not the last man - what difference should it make?

Ohhh an jersey pulling I hate that, its so childis.  FFS players keep your hands down.

bugger, you've discovered the secret, I now can't disagree with anything you say as you've found the FACT key on your keyboard.  :)

agree with you on the last man rule, never liked it when I came in.

another one I hate is commentators telling us it can't be a penalty if the man's going away from goal. strangely refs seem to agree

Half way through reading your post rooky was thinking of the taylor incident that and todays were both definite pens. What taylor was thinking i had no idea he does stupid stuff like this too often for me and is overrated imo.

As for Andy Gray he's a tit.

Andy Gray is one of the commentators that says "Nobody understands the off-side rule anymore" (Alan Hansen and his co-tit Lawrence also say it regularly) whereas I think it's not actually all that difficult.

Most commentators/pundits are crap at that sort of thing.

the offside rule is easy to understand , the trouble is a lot of people not just the refs have a different opinion on weather a player is interfering with play, ive always believed all players are interfering with play, defenders position themselves to cover players who drift offside but are ruled to be not interfering with play ,this leaves  space for a player who is not offside to score

Yeah, offside is another that grates me why can't we just go back to the way it was if an attacker is behind the defender when the ball is played he's offside!

I understand the new rule but its pointless and its not understood by many fans and indeed refs when it comes down to interfering with play thats subjective.

Judging offside from an assistants point of view is more difficult than refereeing IMO, some decisons are so tight, especially in real time...

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Completely agree. If he wasn't a 'geordie' he'd get so much stick.

Footballing gripe 2 - shielding the ball out for a goal kick! This is obstruction and needs to be punished by a kick up the arse!

Bring back the obstruction rule period!..It's been ages since I've seen a free-kick given for obstruction.

Andy Gray - Legend


That is all

Yep - the arse end. ;D

Andy Gray in a thread about handball.  How apt.

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Joe Jordan I'd understand (I know it still upsets you Welshies).

1984 FA Cup Final for Everton. 

Showing your age now boys! This has all gone over my head!

absolute quality rooky.

Nooooo.

Gavin Peacock has has also semingly fallen fould of talking utter bollocks about the handball rule now.

If it wasn't a penalty today then I don't know what is, other than someone catching it.