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Title: end of an MTT : Top 2 on a suited Flop
Post by: jpean on April 14, 2008, 07:01:44 AM
Hi everybody

I think that at this moment, I had almost a strong image at the table and My stack was a little more than the average...

PokerStars Game #16716681650: Tournament #84448878, $0.25+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1500/3000) - 2008/04/14 - 01:29:37 (ET)
Table '84448878 33' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: WILDWOOLLEY (38430 in chips)
Seat 2: vo2max (21876 in chips)
Seat 3: tnt157 (80210 in chips)
Seat 4: julienfetus (57257 in chips)
Seat 5: JOBABE24 (75529 in chips)
Seat 6: cooleydoo (19798 in chips)
Seat 7: helene j (40518 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: jtwp10 (128091 in chips)
Seat 9: rmc757 (89556 in chips)
WILDWOOLLEY: posts the ante 300
vo2max: posts the ante 300
tnt157: posts the ante 300
julienfetus: posts the ante 300
JOBABE24: posts the ante 300
cooleydoo: posts the ante 300
helene j: posts the ante 300
jtwp10: posts the ante 300
rmc757: posts the ante 300
julienfetus: posts small blind 1500 // Generally, with so big blinds I don't call the BB at the SB without a little hand but there, the pot odds were really good...
JOBABE24: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to julienfetus [8c Qd]
helene j has returned
cooleydoo: calls 3000
helene j: calls 3000
jtwp10: folds
rmc757: calls 3000
WILDWOOLLEY: calls 3000
vo2max: folds
tnt157: folds
julienfetus: calls 1500
JOBABE24: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qh 8h 3h]

I hesitate between to move :
1 : bet 15k and see what happens
2 : Try a check raise. if someone has the flush he would probably go all in and it will be an easy fold...


Title: Re: end of an MTT : Top 2 on a suited Flop
Post by: Longy on April 15, 2008, 11:34:10 PM
I would fold preflop, the hand has reversed implied odds which outweigh the immediate pot odds imo.

As played lead/stack off line is my preferred option as you will often get this checked round multiway and get outdrawn or lose value from a bare big heart. I think leading 15k and stacking here is fine.


Title: Re: end of an MTT : Top 2 on a suited Flop
Post by: gatso on April 15, 2008, 11:40:23 PM
I would fold preflop, the hand has reversed implied odds which outweigh the immediate pot odds imo.

As played lead/stack off line is my preferred option as you will often get this checked round multiway and get outdrawn or lose value from a bare big heart. I think leading 15k and stacking here is fine.

I agree with every word of that


Title: Re: end of an MTT : Top 2 on a suited Flop
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on April 15, 2008, 11:47:41 PM
I probs check jam here.

Or check call AI


Title: Re: end of an MTT : Top 2 on a suited Flop
Post by: gatso on April 15, 2008, 11:51:35 PM
I probs check jam here.

Or check call AI

I dislike that line for the reasons Longy gives, you so often see a flop like this checked all the way round as everyone is wary of it


Title: Re: end of an MTT : Top 2 on a suited Flop
Post by: jpean on April 16, 2008, 12:51:22 AM
I don't like a bit the check/call here... you have no visibility where you stand... isn'it ?

here is the end of the hand...

*** FLOP *** [Qh 8h 3h]
julienfetus: bets 15000
JOBABE24: calls 15000
cooleydoo: folds
helene j: folds
rmc757: folds
WILDWOOLLEY: folds
*** TURN *** [Qh 8h 3h] [Tc]
julienfetus: checks
JOBABE24: bets 12000
julienfetus: calls 12000
*** RIVER *** [Qh 8h 3h Tc] [7h]
julienfetus: checks
JOBABE24: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
julienfetus: shows [8c Qd] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
JOBABE24: shows [6h Th] (a flush, Queen high)
JOBABE24 collected 74700 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 74700 | Rake 0
Board [Qh 8h 3h Tc 7h]
Seat 1: WILDWOOLLEY folded on the Flop
Seat 2: vo2max folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: tnt157 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: julienfetus (small blind) showed [8c Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 5: JOBABE24 (big blind) showed [6h Th] and won (74700) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 6: cooleydoo folded on the Flop
Seat 7: helene j folded on the Flop
Seat 8: jtwp10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: rmc757 folded on the Flop
 


Title: Re: end of an MTT : Top 2 on a suited Flop
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on April 16, 2008, 01:12:44 AM
I probs check jam here.

Or check call AI

I dislike that line for the reasons Longy gives, you so often see a flop like this checked all the way round as everyone is wary of it

I think in ANY multi, you will rarely see a pot checked round here..


Title: Re: end of an MTT : Top 2 on a suited Flop
Post by: AlexMartin on April 23, 2008, 09:41:21 PM
JP, stop winding us up and go get drunk with Flushy


Title: Re: end of an MTT : Top 2 on a suited Flop
Post by: Royal Flush on April 24, 2008, 12:49:48 PM
JP, stop winding us up and go get drunk with Flushy

headache, wish i stayed in and made money like jp, lol