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I know a zero tolerance policy is advocated by a number blonde's but some of the cases that are seeing people getting criminal records are just ridiculous.

Heard today that a man has been fined and got a criminal record just because he had to much rubbish in has bin that they couldn't completely close the lid. I've also heard about a guy who was nicked for taking an item from a skip as it wasn't his property to take. Also a CCTV operator reported a woman for flashing her breasts at a CCTV camera and she was arrested as a result.

It's good to see the limited police resources are being used so effectively especially when I see that the polices portion of the council tax went up by well over inflation last year.

What bizarre cases have you heard off ???

i got arrested once for defending myself from a crazed attack in a manchester nightclub. The case was dismissed in court though as one of the prosecutions witnesses was baffled as to whodunnit. Nothing to do with the fact my hair was now long and curly ;)

some friends of mine are currently fighting bollocks charges.

At one of their parents new years eve party it was gate crashed by some hooligans, the parents rang so they came back and turfed them out. Then when leaving to go back out they got ambushed by the same group plus some more of them, this actually resulted in one of them being blinded in one eye. They fought back and came out on top, at which point the coppers arrived and they appeared to be the aggresors. The scumbags have now had all charges against them dropped but my friends are still facing charges.

couple of things here.

DON'T BELIEVE ALL THE TABLOIDS SAY!

The guy that got a fine for his bin, did not pay the fine...did not pay the reminder and then did F all when he got fined for not paying the fine. He will now be taken to court as he did nothing but call the tabloids when he got into real trouble. If he had spoken to his council he would have been fine (no pun intended) he is a slouch and does not deserve our sympathy..he should have dealt with his own affairs.

You can not take items from a skip...How is this not obvious to everyone? Is it yours? NO! Ask permission from whomever owns the skip and then you can take it. Jesus, how stupid are you?

Flashing your breasts at a CCTV operator, is that acceptable behaviour now? Feck off, nick 'em and book 'em.


I have no doubt that there are some things that the police do that is unfair but " i have heard about this case" is ussually the start of someone yacking on about something they know F all about or something stupid hyped up by the Daily Mail (If I'm not mistaken I saw the Daily Mail thing on the BBC breakfast show this morning)

All this "don't the police have anything better to do" business is starting to piss me off. This is exactly what the police and the council are supposed to do. Quality of life is ruined by people like the above and they should get done for it.

LOL - you Dutch are such prudes.

you flash at windows!..not at Cameras!

How sad must that CCTV operator be to report it to the police though?   Surely one of the perks of the job?

It was a female CCTV operator...that's where I think the problem was...or maybe they were VERY ugle hairy boobs

Breath in, breathe out...........and relax.

Ok, for starters I don't read the tabloids and if I did it certaintly wouldn't be the Daily Mail. Also I am aware that the guy in part contributed to his case going to court in part due to his apathy, I guess my point is that I disagree with the whole OTT nature of minor issues ending up in the courts. A warning / education is surely a better method of changing ones behaviour rather than alienating somebody by issuing fines. Than again the councils are looking for new revenue streams to cover their overspending.

As much as your pissed off by this "haven't the police got anything better to do" viewpoint, I am as equally pissed off at the growing policy of penalising easy targets who are less likely to defend themselves and challenge a case rather than them focusing on more serious crimes. I also think that the growing totalitarian system such as fining people for minor infringements and thus alienating a growing number of people as part of the problem to the breakdown of a fragmented and isolated society rather than actually improving the world we live in. 

nah feck 'em. :)

The police are of course focussing on the major crimes..but it's not the major crimes that make people feel unsafe. A cluttered up street with loads of filth fying about does. People that are drunk shouting stuff in the middle of the night and acting laddish that makes people feel unsafe. That is the sort of behaviour that needs to be addressed as it is the main thing people are unhappy with. The chances of you getting murdered byt a serial killer are relatively small, the chances of you being kept up at night and being bothered by other peoples junk flying into your street or garden are a lot bigger..and that's the sort of anti-social behaviour that needs to be addressed and is being done in the instances you mentioned above (or atleast in two of them)

The councils are overspending because people are making a mess of things and not cleaning up their crap so they should be fined...and most of those fines will actually be turned into a warning if you react nicely to your council.

i agree that this govt has gotten out of control and is generally a joke..but mainly on the issue of civil liberties and taxes and all that.

i quite often lose sleep worrying about how many empty crisp packets will be found in my garden when i awake.

ever seen a pidgeon get the crumbs out of a crisp packet?they swish their beak at it from side to side to move the crumbs out is good to watch but its a shame they dont just pick the packet up at 1 end and empty the contents out,then they could pick the empty packet up and put it into the bin.... then you'd sleep better knowing all the crisp packets wont be in yr garden when you awake...

Not sure I can agree with the above. Councils largely spend / overspend it's budget on whatever areas it can, including unnecessary traffic measures, community projects, etc, etc to ensure their council tax budget is not reduced by central Government in sebsequent years.

Also I've not seen any evidence of councils adopting this nicely, nicely approach depending on if you talk to them nicely. Do enlighten me. Maybe I should ask the building reg's guy next time if I can pay less for his "oh so helpful visits" just to check I've put my windows in correctly or other such basic building work. The cheeky SOB's even demanded more money on my last property just because they said the work would normally have cost more than I said it would. Sod the fact I did the work myself and therefore slashing the cost to me. How can they justify charging me 3 lots of almost £150 (£450 in total) just to check I knocked down a wall and put an RSJ in properly, a job I actually did for less than £100.  

I do however agree certain issues need to be monitored and policed accordingly such as fly tipping but this is somewhat differnet to prosecuting someone for having his bin over filled. As is drunken behaviour in the streets compared to flashing your breasts at CCTV. As I have said, "off with their heads" whatever the offence and however minor it maybe.  ::)  

What you say has a huge element of truth to it (throw enough, and some sticks).

Look at the New York subway and the crime that was happening there.  There were murders and violent robberies happening all too frequently.  Instead of focusing on these crimes, they instead sorted out the graffiti problem, the fare-dodging that was rife, and they made the subway a nicer place to be and a place where crime didn't/couldn't thrive.  This in turn had a huge impact on the serious crime problem, and the subway once again became a safe place to be.

It's all in Gladwell's 'Tipping Point' - a book everyone should read.

In the UK, clearing up the vandalism, reducing the anti-social behaviour, etc., will create a better environment for all and create places that are more 'resistant' to crime.  So I agree that councils should spend money on cleaning up graffiti, fining people for littering (and providing bins and collection services that remove the need to litter), and the police should crack down on anti-social behaviour - this in turn reduces the level of criminality in society.  Obviously, it's not that simple - if only it was.

This is basically the city wide (not just the subway) "zero tolerance policy" that New York took to clean itself up.

It's often misunderstood and misinterpreted as meaning being really strict on crime - but when people say things like, "there should be zero tolerance with drug dealers", they're kind of missing the point.

The point was - just as mentioned above - that if you maintain zero tolerance on all crime, including all the petty stuff (like grafitti and fare dodging on the underground for example) then this in turn will reduce the level of the more serious crimes.

New York showed that it does work - the downside, it cost an absolute fortune. What is done in the cases above is demonstrative of the piecemeal approach which just won't work, but how many people would be keen on really tackling the problem(s) when it would mean a massive increase in council tax?

Yeah, I'm sure the granny who got a fine because her 5 year old grand daughter dropped some crisps on the floor has learnt a tremendous lesson and will certainly not commit any further crimes in the future.

Nip it in the bud asap. I'm surprised she wasn't given a custodial sentence for her crime.

It's fine that the kid dropped it..it's the granny not picking it up that makes it a mess. New York was a feckin sess pool and Central Park and The subway were un safe..now you can actually walk in Central Park at night and you won't get killed in the subway (well not immediatly) thanks to a zero tolerance approach..I am all for it.

Yeah evil Granny. I do believe that the child actually dropped the packet and the Granny picked it up and may have not noticed a couple of crisps that had fallen out. Whatever this is naturally a most heinous offense and deserves a £80 on the spot fine. Shame we don't have stocks anymore and then we could preach to the evil Granny the errors of her way.

See, the problem with having a serious discussion about, what could be, a solution to a lot of crime and anti-social behaviour is that people always drag up some instance that has nothing to do with the actual discussion but is rather due to an overzealous civil servant or officer of the law. Your example might be laughable but it's not like it's a daily occurence and in general giving people a fine for making a mess of the place is not a bad idea, no?

Actions require an appropriate response and a blanket zero tolorence policy not only results in such cases which I'm sorry you think is distracting from a serious debate and not relevent but the matter of fact is under a zero tolorence policy the most minor of things get dealt in an OTT way. Why use a sledgehammer to break a nut. As I said in the last paragraph in my first response to you I think pensilaing some people for minor offences is infact damaging to society and ajust alienates people. Also criminalising people for minor offenses has other impacts such as insurance cost and job opportunities.

The whole New York model is somewhat different and quite laughable when put forward as a solution to UK problems. Didn't some police chief up north Ian Halliwell (sp??) introduce zero tolorence. I don't many quoting this as a success but prefer to use another countries case which had totally different factors as the solution.

See the problem is people often quote more serious crimes as a reason to get tough on minor crimes. Bin to full / fly tipping. Flashing breasts at CCTV / drunken disorderly behaviour in the streets.

my mate had is car stolen which was crashed into someones property. insurance company paid out straight away. police did him for driving without due care and attention. solicitor said plead quilty so it dont go to crown court. 450 pound fine

There are two things here.  The punishments for the 'crimes' you mentioned are of course ludicrous (no matter what Blondie said).  They shouldn't however, be used to show how a 'zero tolerance' approach is flawed.

A 'zero tolerance' to crime still needs a logical set of rules/guidelines, and flashing your breasts at a CCTV camera isn't really what it's about.  Unless we want to live in a police state.

(a) He may have called it zero tolerance - but it wasn't what was used in New York (it couldn't be, because they just aren't funded well enough).

Using elements of the system doesn't work, trying a cheap version of the system doesn't work, only a co ordinated approach by the police and the judicial system works.

(b) you don't have to be OTT to have zero tolerance, zero tolerance to litter dropping doesn't mean you make criminals out of all the litterers - it might mean they all get at least a warning, it might mean some (or even a lot)  get fined - but mainly it means that it isn't just ignored. Something gets done.

Thank you.

No, thank you... Blondie.

so flashing breasts is not disorderly behaviour but perfectly acceptable? (you might be all for it as a guy but that doesn't mean it's acceptable). You can't tolerate it ..it's the sort of behaviour that makes some people reluctant to go out into city centers at night.

Again, the bin too full guy did nothing when he recieved his fine and that's why he is now in the news..not because people thought the law was ridiculous when introduced. (A bin lid that is open can lead to vermin coming in and stench coming out and amazingly that IS something people complain about when it happens.

However like Kin said..you can not use examples that show how extreme something sometimes gets dealt with and say "See, it doesn't work!"

sigh..that's gonna stick a while, isn't it?

It's bloody genius.

People who commit low-level crime are far far more likely to commit serious crime than the general population. Sometimes here the police will set up roadblocks and stop every car and check for tax/MOT/insurance. Drivers found without these get checked out properly and the police find a large number of outstanding fines/arrest warrants/more serious naughtiness.

Also, not getting punished for low-level stuff when young helps instill a sense of 'I'll never get caught' in the minds of the anti-social, which helps move them onto more serious stuff.

We need an army of Judge Dredds wandering about executing people for stuff and that. Once the bodies start piling up we might start seeing fewer crisp packets blowing about.

FACT!

This thread reminds me of a story posted a while back where a blonde guy (was it smithy?) was facing charges for hitting a guy who was beating up a woman at a petrol station.

I dont recall reading what happened, does anyone know?

Yeah that was Smithy, he tried to help a woman out at the petrol station after someone crashed into her car with the kid in there and was being abusive towards her. I think he got into a fight with the guy?

I haven't seen or heard from Adam aka Smithy69 for sometime but I do believe, when I last met him, he said that all charges had been dropped and he didn't have to go to court. The guy he punched was appartently a local druggie who was abusing some woman before Smithy stepped in. I remember she then refused to make any statement supporting smithy hence it looked like he was going to be charged.