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Full Tilt Poker Game #6136998509: Table Roil (heads up) - $25/$50 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 17:28:17 ET - 2008/04/22
Seat 1: Cole South ($5 474.50)
Seat 2: riverdave69 ($2 923.50)
riverdave69 posts the small blind of $25
Cole South posts the big blind of $50
The button is in seat #2

Holecards:
Dealt to riverdave69 [ 5s 2c Aspades Qc ]
riverdave69 raises to $150
Cole South calls $100

Flop:
[  Ahrt Js Qh   ]
Cole South bets $250
riverdave69 calls $250

Turn:
[   Ahrt  Js Qh ] [  5d ]
Cole South bets $650
riverdave69 calls $650

River:
[ Ahrt Js Qh 5d     ] [  3d ]
Cole South bets $2,100
riverdave69 has 15 seconds left to act
riverdave69 has requested TIME

Now what?

Does Oppo lead into my raise on all 3 with the nuts, obviously he knows i can't have it with no raise on the turn/my shortstack/ and a dangerous board.

Result later.

Calling this or not can only be decided on previous reads on this opponent. based with little knowledge of this opponent I would pass. My read for what it is worth is that he is holding QQxx or JJxx as he  would surely check raise with the flopped nuts.  betting the flop with middle / bottom set he can establish where his hand is.



 

Any more comments on this before i post result surely Flushy must have an opinion? I have a little history of playing him on the old Muckemsayuhhh account but we're probably talking way less than 1000 hands hu total.

I hate PLO HU as I can only see the massive nr of ways I get killed here ...would be interesting to hear people's thoughts on it though.

You call, he has busted FD and some sort of Straight draw and your 2 pair is good.

Awkward, this is so player dependent imo, but at the same time, he's betting almost full pot each stage, the only hands I can think you're beating here are KKxx (more likely to re-raise pf) and TTxx perhaps with hearts. I fold the turn anyway, but that's because I'm a wuss.

Presumably you didn't call pot sized bets to hit a 4 outer, so if you think you are ahead on the turn you should call.

I have a feeling the other guy flopped broadway with a flush draw possibly royal flush draw.

good fold here Dave.

I haven't decided for sure yet but i am fairly certain we should be calling here.

tricky tricky, i think i side with you have to call now.

so many hands he could have, doesn't feel like a bluff though.

You must have a long time bank!

lol? he said he will post results. I think we can gather he called :)

fold and say uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ducy?

Ok my thought process through the hand was that i was good, i'm putting him on hearts and maybe with a gutshot to the nuts. I'm almost certain he would be check raising on the flop with the nut straight unless he had nut hearts with it.
I do run pretty bad on full tilt though so had to briefly consider 2 4 of hearts or something equally sick. I really can't see him 3 barrelling bottom/middle set because he would have to be a little worried i have the aces or that if i was on the draw he would be much better off checking river and giving me a chance to bluff.


Cole South bets $2,100
riverdave69 has 15 seconds left to act
riverdave69 has requested TIME
riverdave69 calls $1 873.50 and is all in
Uncalled bet of $226.50 returned to Cole South

Showdown :
Cole South shows [ 9s   4d  8h 6d  ] Ace Queen high
riverdave69 shows [ 5s 2c Aspades Qc     ] two pair Aces and Queens
riverdave69 wins the pot ($5 846 .50) with two pair Aces and Queens
Cole South adds $2 449

SUMMARY:
Total pot $5 847 | Rake $0 .50
Board:
[  Ahrt Js Qh  5d 3d    ]
Seat 1: Cole South (big blind) showed [ 9s 4d 8h  6d    ] and lost with Ace Queen high
Seat 2: riverdave69 (small blind) showed [ 5s 2c Aspades Qc     ] and won ($5 846 .50) with two pair, Aces and Queens

So it was basically a stone cold 3 barrel bluff drawing to a non nut 10 which is definitely a card i would of passed to, i'm almost certainly going to pass to a heart as well but presuming that's what he may have put me on i don't think he can bet them.

Why wasnt this thread entitled "shameless brag"?

It should of been titled the dangers of tilt, i only started playing him because he was on 2 or 3 hu tables and had over 10k on both of them 20 mins before, when i looked back to see him getting beaten on all of them i figured now was as good a time as any to take a shot. I only sat with 1k and left shortly after this pot.

nicely done. PLO treating you good this year i see :)

Yep true

Don't know why i bothered replying. In fact why did anyone bother replying?

Anyway...Nice pot to win. horrendous call.

Maybe i'm alone here but just calling the turn is pretty horrible i think.

You don't have enough chips to call, even if you did i think calling is horrible. He can have so many outs here as if he doesn't have your hand beat, then he would most likely be betting a draw, which you are letting him hit.

I think you need to deicde on the turn whether you are committing yourself or not.

Interesting opinion but i definitely don't agree. I think a raise by me on the turn would of been horrible i'm pretty sure i can only get called if i'm beat and in a situation where he is bluffing or semi bluffing i'm killing his action. It's actually a board where it is very hard for him to have "so many outs", there isn't a big wrap/flush draw combo because the broadway straight is already out there. I have top 2 and if that's ahead it's also extremly hard for me to get outdrawn by bigger pairs or underpair getting there.

Did you actually read the thread and find out that it was heads up not a full ring game? Your assumption that he must be leading into me as the raiser with the broadway and nut flush draw is frankly LOL.

Yeh i totally get what you mean. But the amount of broadway combos he can have. And with the flush draw there i think it is risky. Basically calling the turn means you are trapping him, and im not a fan of trapping in omaha when i think opponent could have 10+ outs.
. Most of my game at the moment is HU PLO and im doing alright. Bare in mind this is 50-1 or 1-2 though im playing. So im guessing the game plays a bit different to 25-50$. Looking at the hand history it is VERY rare for someone to 3 barrel bluff in my experience at stakes less than 1-2 plo. Its usually the standard raise pre. cont bet flop, check fold turn with most players.

Great read though mate, that is A* omaha.

I think the title PLO HU gave it away you smart arsed prick.
Nearly as funny as you calling your whole stack with 2 pair on a horrendous board.

as i said nice pot to win nice read? nope.

no need to get offensive

bit OTT the more i think about this hand the more it becomes a call.

Your hand is so under-repped it looks like a draw its an easy river jam for him with any 4.

I think any made non-nut hand checks to you on the river to induce.

wp

I agree Flushy it was more slowroll than dwell on the end, HU PLO does require some fairly brave 2 pair calls on the river at these blind levels to be successful, and 1 pair calls too on occassons.

Yeah i now am pretty sure this is a snap call against most oppos hu, only nits get a fold but then i fold turn to them.