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Do you value raise the river?? Do you even raise the turn. Me and my mate who is an excellent player and plays for a living had a good chat about this hand. What do you fish reckon about my play and my opponents play???

http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/4952

i think A4 played it well but he forgot to 3 bet the river. 33 played it good, think you gotta raise that river.

mmmmm, anymore indepth analysis. There's alot goin on here imo

stick it on the hand analysis board.

Can a mod move it please :-)

agreed...it's all pretty standard upto the A4 flatcalling the river reraise.

Yeah, that was very odd - specifically putting an UTG limper on 64 seems an act of Hachemesque nittiness.

Assuming villain re-raises with the 2nd nuts like he's supposed to, will hero lay down to the re-raise?

I do like that hand replayer, but using the result of the hand as the title detracts a bit from the 'trying to work out what villain has' aspect.

I think you played it fine, I can't think of a better line. The only thing I would have done would raise a bit more on the river say to about 60, trying to get value from a whole bunch of 2pr hands.

As for his flat call of the raise on the river, lol fullringaments.

I would be interested to see what the discussion was about as this looks really standard.

Bet the flop :D

I think you played it well but wouldve made it around $55 on the river.

Cant believe he didnt 3 bet you on the river tbh to like $120.

Would be interested to know if youd have called or folded then.

Id have called tbf.

sure thing :)

The only thing you did wrong here was limp preflop. Muck 33s UTG everytime. Think you played it exactly as I would have done otherwise.

Just be glad he didn't 3 bet you on the river. Absolutely can't believe he doesn't with the 2nd nuts. Did he think you limped with 46s utg or something??!!

Only thing I do different is pre flop, either raise or fold - obviously flop action would then change depending on amount of players in the pot and our position in relation to the other players)... As others have said, strange he doesn't 3bet on river, If he does its a tough spot to call as not many feasible 2 pair combos (K9 maybe??)

What were yours and your mates thoughts on the hand??

FYP

my thoughts exactly.

always raising 33 UTG in lolfullringaments is not good imo. i limp/call all day long but depending on table conditions could see folding or raising being good occasionally.

why is limping with 33 utg wrong ? why muck 33 utg everytime ? what is the point in playing the game if your not going to gamble ??

 particularly in a decent stacked online cash game

If you're going to play a low pair 22-44 UTG calling is the worst play you can make. Why? Because post flop the hand is so bad to play out of position that you have to rely on hitting a monster just to continue with the hand.

Surely it's about gambling with the odds as much in your favour as possible. Limping UTG with 2 3 & 4 pocket pairs can't be a +EV in the long run.

i disagree , i'd say raising is worse , if you raise say 6 - 10 $ and 1 or 2 players come over the top for 25 - 40 $ then the pot can get out of control and you wont be getting odds to play the hand , on the other hand if you limp you can see what action takes place and decide from there if the odds are favourable or there is too much action then fair enough you can then throw the hand away for 2$ insted of 6 - 10 $ .

 i'd rather try and get in cheaply with this and try to improve my hand ( hit a set ) than raise with it and have to fold to any reraise or any significant action behind me