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Title: This should NOT happen! FACT - maybe, I think, doesn't seem right anyway Post by: Jon MW on May 04, 2008, 02:59:34 AM Can somebody who actually has a better understanding of the rules than me (this should ensure a large field of potential respondees) explain a rule in stud for me.
It's actually from a razz tournament, and I've put the hand history below but the basic question is: If the player who should pay the buy in is all in from paying the ante - who pays the buy in? I would have thought that it would be the next highest or next lowest (depending on whether you were playing razz or stud) in line. Or it would just go from the player who should be paying it and the table would just be playing for the antes. But in this instance the player one to the left had to pay the buy in - is this right? HAND HISTORY PokerStars Game #17183524246: Tournament #86191424, $10+$1 Razz Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/05/03 - 21:24:39 (ET) Table '86191424 11' 8-max Seat 1: canuck3030 (1999 in chips) Seat 2: tenfour111 (7368 in chips) Seat 3: POPO8 (6666 in chips) Seat 4: DArickiebear (5269 in chips) Seat 5: Happy1here (3886 in chips) Seat 6: Jon MW (5534 in chips) Seat 7: mimoun666 (10 in chips) is sitting out Seat 8: Elrohir44 (1448 in chips) canuck3030: posts the ante 30 tenfour111: posts the ante 30 POPO8: posts the ante 30 DArickiebear: posts the ante 30 Happy1here: posts the ante 30 Jon MW: posts the ante 30 mimoun666: posts the ante 10 and is all-in Elrohir44: posts the ante 30 *** 3rd STREET *** Dealt to canuck3030 [Th] Dealt to tenfour111
Title: Re: This should NOT happen! FACT - maybe, I think, doesn't seem right anyway Post by: matt674 on May 04, 2008, 03:13:34 AM never mind about the bring in - what are you doing calling with a king in your hand against a player who is bringing in with a 2 showing?
;) and as far as i am aware play always goes clockwise from the player who should bring in - but as minmoun is already all in then play passes to elrohir Title: Re: This should NOT happen! FACT - maybe, I think, doesn't seem right anyway Post by: M3boy on May 04, 2008, 03:24:42 AM I am consulting my legal advisors re the title of this thread.
Title: Re: This should NOT happen! FACT - maybe, I think, doesn't seem right anyway Post by: Jon MW on May 04, 2008, 03:33:29 AM ... and as far as i am aware play always goes clockwise from the player who should bring in - but as minmoun is already all in then play passes to elrohir So a 2 get's to pay the bring in? Doesn't seem right. never mind about the bring in - what are you doing calling with a king in your hand against a player who is bringing in with a 2 showing? ... They're all weak - they can all be pushed around* *DISCLAIMER: does not actually work all of the time. Title: Re: This should NOT happen! FACT - maybe, I think, doesn't seem right anyway Post by: Jon MW on May 04, 2008, 03:34:11 AM I am consulting my legal advisors re the title of this thread. It's a homage Title: Re: This should NOT happen! FACT - maybe, I think, doesn't seem right anyway Post by: AndrewT on May 04, 2008, 10:31:07 AM I am consulting my legal advisors re the title of this thread. It's a homage Are you calling M3boy gay? Title: Re: This should NOT happen! FACT - maybe, I think, doesn't seem right anyway Post by: gatso on May 04, 2008, 11:01:01 AM while I don't know what the rule is, that seems right to me.
the order of play should not be affected by stack sizes Title: Re: This should NOT happen! FACT - maybe, I think, doesn't seem right anyway Post by: gatso on May 04, 2008, 11:22:45 AM while I don't know what the rule is, that seems right to me. the order of play should not be affected by stack sizes the only exception to this that I'm aware of is Village Poker in which IIRC the short-stack is always the big blind Title: Re: This should NOT happen! FACT - maybe, I think, doesn't seem right anyway Post by: Claw75 on May 04, 2008, 11:33:48 AM while I don't know what the rule is, that seems right to me. the order of play should not be affected by stack sizes the only exception to this that I'm aware of is Village Poker in which IIRC the short-stack is always the big blind and they have to deal :)up Title: Re: This should NOT happen! FACT - maybe, I think, doesn't seem right anyway Post by: Jon MW on May 04, 2008, 11:55:08 AM while I don't know what the rule is, that seems right to me. the order of play should not be affected by stack sizes If the high card at the table had 11 chips when the ante was 10, wouldn't they pay a bring in of 1? And the player to his left would have the choice of whether to call or complete and start creating a side pot? If so, shouldn't this be the same if they had 10 chips and an ante of 10, with a bring in of 0? Title: Re: This should NOT happen! FACT - maybe, I think, doesn't seem right anyway Post by: gatso on May 04, 2008, 12:08:37 PM while I don't know what the rule is, that seems right to me. the order of play should not be affected by stack sizes If the high card at the table had 11 chips when the ante was 10, wouldn't they pay a bring in of 1? And the player to his left would have the choice of whether to call or complete and start creating a side pot? If so, shouldn't this be the same if they had 10 chips and an ante of 10, with a bring in of 0? ahh, with you now, didn't really read it properly tbh. didn't see that the next player had been forced to bring in. so my new opinion is the same as yours I think, next player should have the option to call, complete or pass. the comparison to HE is bb and sb all in for the ante. utg now has the option to call, raise or pass Title: Re: This should NOT happen! FACT - maybe, I think, doesn't seem right anyway Post by: Jon MW on May 04, 2008, 12:10:10 PM ... the comparison to HE is bb and sb all in for the ante. utg now has the option to call, raise or pass Good comparison - thank you Title: Re: This should NOT happen! FACT - maybe, I think, doesn't seem right anyway Post by: Ironside on May 05, 2008, 05:58:31 AM while I don't know what the rule is, that seems right to me. the order of play should not be affected by stack sizes the only exception to this that I'm aware of is Village Poker in which IIRC the short-stack is always the big blind and they have to deal :)up from the car park |