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Title: William Hill guide to poker
Post by: bolt pp on May 14, 2008, 10:44:56 AM
My pal played on Hills once about 6 months ago but never played on there again, he didnt like the crypto software.

They sent him a "beginners guide to poker" the other day to try and entice him back i suppose, we wound him up about it a bit about it but ive brought the guide back with me to share some invaluable rudimentary poker strategy as courtesy of william hiills.............. ::)

MTT strategy

On page 17 hills give a guide to how strong your stack is in proportion to the blinds, they say: "20+BB, strong, try to take control of the table and raise the smaller stacks with marginal cards. steel a lot of blinds".

As dangerous as it is to advocate a "beginner" bullying the table(because invariably they'll piss the lot up the wall without even getting close to the money) we'll go with that tactic for now.

hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm, i turn to page 19(yeah i'm a rebel i skipped a page) in the MTT checklist Hills go on to say: "If you get ahead, preserve your prosperity, just because you can play the bully doesn't mean you have to"

so i should be bullying the table, raising the smaller stacks and steeling blinds whilst maintaining my prosperity and not bullying anyone :)up

Hills also say: "a certain percentage of online players play tournaments with little skill, no real experience and no real game plan, maybe they're just there to learn or have fun.thats fine, that just means theres a lot of dead money floating around, if you're a GOOD PLAYER you should go after this money"

Of course I'm not a good f**King player, I'm reading a beginners guide to poker you Muppet!!!!!

Hills advice on distraction: "other people in you life may want other things . the wife might want the lawn mowed; the dog may need feeding. whatever the problem is it will have to wait!

so my daughter gets home from school to see my wife on the couch drinking vodka and orange shouting: "you're a complete waste of space, the lawn hasn't been cut in weeks"!the dog suffering from severe malnutrition dragging itself around the house looking for a spot to die, and dad approaching the bubble in a $2 multi, good life.

lets try a STT now, should be much easier to follow:

so on the first page they have a test "yourself section" the first question being:"what do you do with 2h 3s in the sb?.......

"you're on the bubble in a $10 stt where each of the 4 remaining players have 2500 in chips, the blinds are 200/400, you're dealt 23 in the sb and the first 2 players fold. the bb is quite tight, solid player who views you the same way and has an intuitive understanding of correct bubble strategy . do you: a)fold  b) call c)raise d)all-in?

hills say: "move all in because the bb understands the value of survival here , the range of hands he'll call you with is very small and you'll often win the blinds , which are enormous, only if he realises your game and starts to make extremely loose calls with any ace, pair, or face cards, (perhaps out of frustration) will this tactic become a losing proposition and need to be cut back.

noooooooooo, so what your saying is i may end up getting called lighter by a "solid player who has an intuitive understanding of stt end game" really? ::)

so promoting the idea of pushbot poker to a beginner explaining the concept in one sentence is Hills idea of "help", they dont really discuss the mathematical  +EV of this shove, the ICM derivation of the idea, the concept of fold equity or anything thats going to explain to a newcomer being told to shove 23 here who was happy folding this everytime in his live game at home in exactly the same spot why this is +EV, you just know this is gonna be mangled so hard by so many novices shoving their 1675 chips in the middle with the binds at 25/50 getting called by KK then phoning up hills and saying: "i read your book, it said go all in with 23 and i keep doing it and i keep getting called by KK, i'm $684 down, i want my money back tossers"!!

I only had a glance through the pamphlet, i'll have a more thorough look later and hopefully, with the help of William Hills, we can take our cash game to that next level :)up


Title: Re: William Hill guide to poker
Post by: vegaslover on May 14, 2008, 04:43:28 PM
I haven't played on willhill in months and they send me the guide. Currently being drawn on by my 1 year old who didn't think much of it either.
They have turned the lever on temporarily for me though, played on their last night and reached an FT!!


Title: Re: William Hill guide to poker
Post by: Flea on May 14, 2008, 06:44:50 PM
yeah I received this "pamphlet" aswell - think I might start playing on WHills a bit more as they've surely guaranteed there's some dead money around!!


Title: Re: William Hill guide to poker
Post by: Claw75 on May 14, 2008, 06:45:53 PM
yeah I received this "pamphlet" aswell - think I might start playing on WHills a bit more as they've surely guaranteed there's some dead money around!!

sure looks like it! ;D


Title: Re: William Hill guide to poker
Post by: Flea on May 14, 2008, 06:58:09 PM
yeah I received this "pamphlet" aswell - think I might start playing on WHills a bit more as they've surely guaranteed there's some dead money around!!

sure looks like it! ;D

:redcard: ;nemesis;


Title: Re: William Hill guide to poker
Post by: maccol on May 14, 2008, 07:01:51 PM
Stick to Sky Andy  ;)


Title: Re: William Hill guide to poker
Post by: Colchester Kev on May 14, 2008, 07:02:28 PM
Stick to blonde Andy  ;)

FYP ;)


Title: Re: William Hill guide to poker
Post by: AlexMartin on May 14, 2008, 07:15:08 PM
ifm please deliver on this thread