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Full Tilt Poker Game #6602978251: Wednesday Main Event Qual (48772224), Table 6 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:40:26 ET - 2008/05/28
Seat 1: CRITTERCAGE (33,322)
Seat 2: flagal43 (13,250)
Seat 4: UpTheMariners (51,707)
Seat 6: MaryGeorge82 (5,796)
Seat 7: UBENICE (31,898)
Seat 8: Supertuan1 (98,027)
CRITTERCAGE antes 100
flagal43 antes 100
UpTheMariners antes 100
MaryGeorge82 antes 100
UBENICE antes 100
Supertuan1 antes 100
CRITTERCAGE posts the small blind of 400
flagal43 posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UpTheMariners [Ts Td]
UpTheMariners raises to 2,200
MaryGeorge82 folds
UBENICE folds
Supertuan1 folds
CRITTERCAGE calls 1,800
flagal43 folds
*** FLOP *** [5s Ks 3d]
CRITTERCAGE checks
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners bets 3,800
CRITTERCAGE has 15 seconds left to act
CRITTERCAGE raises to 8,800
UpTheMariners ...

Crittercage 26/16 70 hands

fold get it in better position later

I think I flat and see what happens on the turn.

Flat, prob check jam the turn.

Is it just me or was the pre-flop raise a bit small to begin with? 

As for what to do after, probably should fold, but if I'm feeling lucky I'd flat call for now and see what happens on the turn.

This is a sat?

What is average chips? How many left? How many qualify?

Flat call to see what happens on the turn is a bit dodgy imo.

Better to do what flushy says. Same thing but with a definite plan on what to do on the turn. You've already got a tough decision so why give yourself another one when anything other than a ten comes down?

You've got plenty more chips than oppo so I think either jam now or check jam the turn. If he's got a king you're still very much alive with over 20 BBs.

I think he's got A5 and just wants to see where he is following your C bet. everyone C bets so he's just trying to find out if you're telling the truth.

Or maybe I'm wrong  ;D

Oh yeah didn't spot that bit.

Jam now then!!!!

Hope he's not got 33 or 55. Doubt you're behind to anything else.

Probably wrong again  ;D

Never spotted the satellite bit.  In that case deffo jam or fold depending on read.

I agree that we should alwasys have a plan and mine would be to check jam. If he leads strongly do we swallow it and fold? If so probs better to just jam now.

2.75 x BB is fine with me, as long as this a consistent raise...

Got to disagree here. Unless you want a call then this isn't enough. With the antes in play the sb and bb are getting better than 2 to 1 on their money to call. implied odds following a raise probably make it correct to call with any two vaguely connected cards hoping to hit big. I'd be calling with 3 5 suited from the bb here. 33 or 55 is a definite possibility.

Hope that isn't what he's got??

lol you have TT, you don't want a call??


Set's aren't raising this board, well, they shouldn't be.

Sets aren't raising with the flush draw threat on the board?

would he check raise this board with 77-99?

there is 2 seats but i dont think that matters too much as im still going to need at least 70k i feel.

pass pls

Not me mate. I want a call deffo especially with 6 at the table.

Just got the impression that the idea from earlier posts was to take the pot down. If you consider a fold on this flop with these chips then presumably you didn't want a call in the first place.

Agree about the set. Very doubtful. You can't be worrying too much about flushes Laxie. If you've hit your set you want all the chips in at some stage. You called for the implied odds but if you raise here you're likely to blow them out the sky.

Also there's now 17k in the pot so the raise isn't enough to scare off a flush draw anyway. The flush draw is likely to jam here as well imo.

Only reason to raise with a set is if you put the guy squarely on an over pair and think he'll jam.

EDIT. Sorry not over pair but big pair or AK, KQ

I think so. Everyone C bets these days if they miss and these sort of hands don't like to be bluffed by AJ, AQ who've missed. 77 - 99 definitely raising.

If not they shouldn't have called in the first place.

what do you think he has?

Do we have any info on oppo?

vpip 26/pfr 16 over 70 hands - won 2 pots off him without showdown

Thats pretty irrelevant as these figures fluctuate wildly depending on stack size table conditions etc.

prob more relevant is OPR info i.e. is he a regular and winner.  This player appears to be a bit sporadic (BR problems?) and a small winner.  I would tend to take his hand at face value and assume he has a K rather than making a move.

Folding if he shoves when the turn blanks?

If he shoves i am even happier, snap call!


Laxie thats just paranoia! You can't be raising sets just because there is a small chance someone might have a flush draw, and an even smaller chance they might hit it on the next card.

i think i like fold best w/o reads. Most donks take the donk lead flop line w 77-99, i give a c/r a little more respect in this spot.

Didn't see it was CR, changes things......still not sure i am folding though

im never ever folding here...ever.  I probs do same as flushy flat flop and check jam turn.

In his mind the only hands we can continue with are KJ KQ AK AA or a set, and that makes up a minute percentage of our range. i prefer the 4 bet jam on the flop than a fold, a fold is just too weak here imo, a shove will get all bar KQ AK AA and a set to fold.

While it can be said that calling to "see what happens" lacks a bit of direction, calling with a definite set plan "to check jam" is equally senseless imo. If spades, Aces, Kings, 10's etc...hit the turn the texture will be much different than if a brick comes, so our strat would change, no?

Personally, my inclination at this time is that our oppo is ahead with a K or even A-A. But I wouldn't be sure cos the couple of pots I've taken from oppo without showdown increase the chances of him having air. I think floating the flop with our genuine hand, seeing what the turn brings, and what affect this has on our oppo is the way to play the hand.

Posted by: Royal Flush

I would add to this that when we call our oppo's flop c-r it pays to be playing the flush draw ourselves. If we naturally fear our oppo has spades because he c-raises when two spades are out, imagine how we look juicing the pot when there are three out there.

I think folding this hand is ok as well.

All good points that give me new things to work on.  Cheers lads.

I decided to call and see how it develops...

turn [  Kc ]

CRITTERCAGE Bets 6600
UpTheMariners.....

UGH!  I'm nearly deffo folding now.  Can't pretend to have the flush and he prolly has the better pair at the very least.

Bet is so small, i think we have to fold.

does he want to price us in for a flush draw? no imo, this is a post oak a lot of the time imo and i would snap jam

he doesnt want us to call this bet, he wants us either to fold or induce a jam. i play into his bear trap and prob see 46sooted

tht guy has to act first on the turn though.

i hate these spots so much.  and readless i usually fold.

I agree with all the comment so far. Your oppo doesn't seem to be going anywhere and bets out again. If he doesn't have anything or is drawing this is a brave move considering his smallish remaining stack. A-A or a King looks even more likely now. I think he has a pair better than ours at the very least and would be happy to let this go.

Well seeing as I didn't think he had a king before I can't change my mind now.

I still think jam but people have made some good reasons why not to so I may be wrong. I can't see him being on aces but even if he is at least the jam gives him something to think about with 2 kings there.

Looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

if the turn pairs the king now im worried about his small lead on the turn now shoving is really bad. You could call down or let it go.

so like a donkey that i am i decided to go with it and he called and showed 55.

gay bet= gay player with monster hand. imo of course.

Lol Mariners you called? What a donk...

no m8, he shoved.