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Title: Weakish Hand - Out of Position UTG - What the best Play here
Post by: Stone on May 31, 2008, 04:49:45 PM
Greetings all, I’m really trying to improve my live cash game play, playing about once a week mainly £1-£2NL . I would like some feedback on how this hand was played?

This weeks game Grosvenor Victoria, 1-2 rake game here are the main actors:

UTG – Me £110, just took a hit after calling down a nicely played small flush value bet – I probably have tight weak image

UTG+3 – Table Captain, recently doubled up through iffy call by the button to £650 approx – Loose aggressive image

Button – Recently almost felted but gambled back up to £76 – Well known Vic cash player always there, preys upon weakness and is always looking to lead the action, most often chipped up.

My Hand  Ad Th, I go for fairly std table raise to £12, fold-fold-Call then folded round to button who calls.

Three players and the Flop is  Ac 4s 6s, “Check or Bet”?

At this point I am pretty sure I’m ahead but with the relevant stacks and my position, what’s my next move?


Title: Re: Weakish Hand - Out of Position UTG - What the best Play here
Post by: byronkincaid on May 31, 2008, 05:31:30 PM
i gotta start playing live, don't raise ATo UTG, now you have a huge pot with TP and a short stack you can't fold so either bet/call all in or check/raise all in whichever has most chance of you getting all in.

you shd read up about SPR in PNL vol 1


Title: Re: Weakish Hand - Out of Position UTG - What the best Play here
Post by: UpTheMariners on May 31, 2008, 05:33:36 PM
fold pre - as played bet/call all in


Title: Re: Weakish Hand - Out of Position UTG - What the best Play here
Post by: mondatoo on May 31, 2008, 05:57:29 PM
Dont mean 2 be a twat but you name your topic Weakish Hand - Out of Position UTG therefore u understand your hands pretty shit and ur in poor positon yet uve still raised it and played it like this just wondering why you've done that when u say urself ur hand is weak.

Also why r you so confident that your ahead on the flop both your opps sound like the could've played a bigger ace like this.


Title: Re: Weakish Hand - Out of Position UTG - What the best Play here
Post by: Stone on May 31, 2008, 06:13:41 PM
I agree with the sentiments that I was probably a bit eager here UTG, possibly steaming a bit from my earlier crying call of a flush.

In terms of why I was thinking I was ahead, given previous hands, both of these guys would have reraised with a better Ace, but its a fair point.

So I decide to put out a feeler bet to find out where I am, £25.

Action goes reluctant call, then allin from button guy for £64 total.

Now what? And what should of been thinking about odds wise, if I believe both guys are flushing?


Title: Re: Weakish Hand - Out of Position UTG - What the best Play here
Post by: AlexMartin on May 31, 2008, 06:35:36 PM
I agree with the sentiments that I was probably a bit eager here UTG, possibly steaming a bit from my earlier crying call of a flush.

In terms of why I was thinking I was ahead, given previous hands, both of these guys would have reraised with a better Ace, but its a fair point.

So I decide to put out a feeler bet to find out where I am, £25.

Action goes reluctant call, then allin from button guy for £64 total.

Now what? And what should of been thinking about odds wise, if I believe both guys are flushing?

you need to spend some time looking at pot odds buddy. Preferably before you sit down at a $400nl cash game.


Title: Re: Weakish Hand - Out of Position UTG - What the best Play here
Post by: jakally on June 01, 2008, 09:06:53 AM
I agree with the sentiments that I was probably a bit eager here UTG, possibly steaming a bit from my earlier crying call of a flush.

In terms of why I was thinking I was ahead, given previous hands, both of these guys would have reraised with a better Ace, but its a fair point.

So I decide to put out a feeler bet to find out where I am, £25.

Action goes reluctant call, then allin from button guy for £64 total.

Now what? And what should of been thinking about odds wise, if I believe both guys are flushing?

Pot size is about £153, and you have to pay £39 to call.
Chances of you beating a flush draw are somewhere around 60%.
It is likely that, even if they are both flushing they have other outs, (i.e. flush draw plus 1 pair giving them 2 pair outs), therefore your odds are a bit less, but you still get fantastic odds.

If you call, you are only leaving about £34 behind of your £110 starting stack, therefore I shovel it all in.
MP guy probably calls as well.
Sometimes you will get shown 2 pr / sets, and maybe bigger aces, but given your stack size and how much you are in for, and the fact that you will be in front a good chunk of the time it is an auto play IMO.

(fwiw Fold PF is my play).