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Title: Tourno hand that befuddled the old men Post by: Jamier-Host on June 04, 2008, 01:43:06 AM 300/600 blinds 8 handed with roughly these chips before the hand. (16 left in a small 25 runner comp)
SB 10,000 BB 1,300 UTG 2,500 UTG+1 5,000 UTG+2 20,000 HJ 15,000 CO 10,000 Button 7,000 UTG moves in for his 2.5k. A couple of quick passes and HJ flat calls. 2 more passes to me in SB. I move in, the BB chucks his last few in and the HJ then passes to the reraise. I held Q7h and was up against AJ x 2 who split the main pot with UTG getting the side pot. Any comments? Obvious, stupid, weird?? It would probably help to know that the UTG and HJ were a couple. The female HJ was also a serial limper and gave the UTG a "go on i'll give you a spin" kinda look when calling. :) She claimed to have had 52 off afterwards and I "had" to have a monster. Most of the table naturally called me a moron for moving in with Q7.... Title: Re: Tourno hand that befuddled the old men Post by: AlexMartin on June 04, 2008, 01:50:28 AM great play, why the fudge did you have to post this, this play is one of the few that is still in the shadows, keep it there.
Title: Re: Tourno hand that befuddled the old men Post by: boldie on June 04, 2008, 08:52:54 AM Don't mind the play at all really.
Title: Re: Tourno hand that befuddled the old men Post by: MANTIS01 on June 04, 2008, 12:53:28 PM If you ensure the next hand you play is premium you will certainly get your money back and probably more on top. A 2.5k advertising budget that gave you the chance to win a decent pot. Hmmm ok. Not a move I'd make though.
Title: Re: Tourno hand that befuddled the old men Post by: EvilPie on June 04, 2008, 01:32:09 PM 2200 to win 6300??
Not sure Q7 would be good enough for me to go all in with a bigger stack still to act. Knowing what you were up against then definitely yes you did the right thing despite being behind. Without this knowledge though it seems risky. Definitely not a "moron" move though. I'm surprised that HJ didn't call. He must've had a very bad hand. 7.5k to win 16.3k is quite tasty for him. And he's only got to beat you to get evens so if he thinks he's got a 50 50 then he should be calling. Just be careful with these moves cus they can go wrong against a player who likes the pot odds. Title: Re: Tourno hand that befuddled the old men Post by: Jamier-Host on June 04, 2008, 02:11:34 PM I was pretty confident she (the HJ) was gonna pass so was considering this pretty much dead chips in the pot.
Also the BB should be calling with any two* and the UTG can quite easily be on a completely random hand too. Just felt like I wasn't risking a huge amount for a pretty tasty jump in chips if I won the hand. Of course I could have been completely wrong about the HJ and got myself in a right mess but I try to always go with my feelings here. Not too bothered if I bust as always another comp :) * Saying that a certain Chris Ferguson made the pass in a slightly similar situation in Event #2 of the WSOP this year I believe and went on to make a miraculous comeback and take 3rd place. Anyone got that hand as might be interesting to discuss?? Title: Re: Tourno hand that befuddled the old men Post by: AlexMartin on June 04, 2008, 03:56:34 PM 2200 to win 6300?? Not sure Q7 would be good enough for me to go all in with a bigger stack still to act. Knowing what you were up against then definitely yes you did the right thing despite being behind. Without this knowledge though it seems risky. Definitely not a "moron" move though. I'm surprised that HJ didn't call. He must've had a very bad hand. 7.5k to win 16.3k is quite tasty for him. And he's only got to beat you to get evens so if he thinks he's got a 50 50 then he should be calling. Just be careful with these moves cus they can go wrong against a player who likes the pot odds. 90% of players who hold a good hand here isolate against the desperate shorty, everytime. When HJ calls, assuming they are a normal poker player, they wont call another reraise despite getting 2/1, as they correctly assume they are up against a big pair/dominating hand (the vast proportion of the time) that they are more than a 2/1 dog against. Exploiting this tendency to get into comfortable +EV situations is good poker. Title: Re: Tourno hand that befuddled the old men Post by: dino1980 on June 04, 2008, 04:18:13 PM great play, why the fudge did you have to post this, this play is one of the few that is still in the shadows, keep it there. In online donkaments i find players flatting all-ins to induce the squezze very common these days fwiw happend to me last nght. I can't speak for live though where many 'strange' things happen. There was a great example of a play like this by Stu Rutter at the Notts GBCPT in 07' which he took a lot of stick for, but seemed totally 'standard' to myself and a number of others watching. Title: Re: Tourno hand that befuddled the old men Post by: doubleup on June 04, 2008, 04:55:08 PM great play, why the fudge did you have to post this, this play is one of the few that is still in the shadows, keep it there. In online donkaments i find players flatting all-ins to induce the squezze very common these days fwiw happend to me last nght. I can't speak for live though where many 'strange' things happen. There was a great example of a play like this by Stu Rutter at the Notts GBCPT in 07' which he took a lot of stick for, but seemed totally 'standard' to myself and a number of others watching. Yep agree 100% - many times I see this online, the flat call is with hands that are happy to call a 3-bet. Most memorably the hand that got me to the 05 wsop. Allin, flat call, I push with AK, instacalled by KK and I suckout. QED 2 mins ago Table "7310062 - 1" Seat 5 is the button. Seat 1: XXXXX (6858 in chips) Seat 2: Hebers (14570 in chips) Seat 3: svante23 (2950 in chips) Seat 5: Big_burr (2370 in chips) Seat 6: dubbleup (6035 in chips) Seat 7: Nielander (6585 in chips) Seat 8: Marcusnbj (6065 in chips) Seat 9: IAMTHERNG (10617 in chips) Seat 10: Spatzbar (1765 in chips) dubbleup: posts small blind 100 Nielander: posts big blind 200 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to dubbleup [Kh 7h] Marcusnbj: folds IAMTHERNG: folds Spatzbar: raises to 1765 and is all-in XXXXX: folds Hebers: calls 1765 svante23: folds Big_burr: folds dubbleup: folds Nielander: folds ----- FLOP ----- [6h 9s Ac] ----- TURN ----- [6h 9s Ac][Jh] ----- RIVER ----- [6h 9s Ac Jh][Ts] ----- SHOW DOWN ----- Spatzbar: shows [Th Td] (Three of a kind, Tens, Ace high) Hebers: shows [As Kd] (A Pair of Aces, King high) Spatzbar collected 3830 from Main pot ----- SUMMARY ----- Total pot 3830 Main pot 3830 Rake 0 Board [6h 9s Ac Jh Ts] Seat 1: XXXXX folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: Hebers showed [As Kd] and lost with A Pair of Aces, King high Seat 3: svante23 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: Big_burr (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: dubbleup (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: Nielander (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: Marcusnbj folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: IAMTHERNG folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 10: Spatzbar showed [Th Td] and won (3830) with Three of a kind, Tens, Ace high Title: Re: Tourno hand that befuddled the old men Post by: Jamier-Host on June 04, 2008, 09:52:03 PM I guess the physical reactions and relationship here help a fair bit.
Oh and live players (especially in small local comps) are far worse then even your standard online wally. :) Title: Re: Tourno hand that befuddled the old men Post by: boldie on June 05, 2008, 09:05:31 AM great play, why the fudge did you have to post this, this play is one of the few that is still in the shadows, keep it there. In online donkaments i find players flatting all-ins to induce the squezze very common these days fwiw happend to me last nght. I can't speak for live though where many 'strange' things happen. There was a great example of a play like this by Stu Rutter at the Notts GBCPT in 07' which he took a lot of stick for, but seemed totally 'standard' to myself and a number of others watching. Yep agree 100% - many times I see this online, the flat call is with hands that are happy to call a 3-bet. Most memorably the hand that got me to the 05 wsop. Allin, flat call, I push with AK, instacalled by KK and I suckout. Blatant I played WSOP ME barg IMO |