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I rarely tilt from other players behaviour, I tend to distance myself and watch from afar as they make a fool of themselves. However recently I have found 1 or 2 players who instantly rub me up the wrong way.

I am quite territorial at Luton and like being one of the only female players there as I think it can give me an edge. When there are other women playing I find it distracting - I think because they tend to be not as friendly as some of the other players - as if they have something to prove. In men I find this acceptable, in women unnecesarry. Women I know such as Edna, Claw etc are not included in this! We play with a smile.

Funnily enough at DTD I'm not territorial - this doesn't bother me - mainly because we are all so friendly towards each other.

But there are 2 players who as soon as I see them get my back up, both women. I only realised this when I watched a poker game on tv last night and there was JJ Lui another female who gets to me. I had a conversation with her in the loo's just before we got down to the last 2 tables at Palm Beach and she basically talked to me as if I was something off the bottom of her shoe. She then proceeded to raise my blinds every hand and I played differently because of it.

As playing with these players is unavoidable is there anything I can do to fight this red rage I get inside when I set eyes on them. It's like a massive dose of pmt and even their chip riffling is an enormous irritation that sets me off.

Anyone have insight as to why this happens? If I have a reason I can normally deal with it. What do you do when you see your least favourite player and find you are sitting next to them? Ipods don't tend to work for me - I can normally see them riffling their chips still.....

Hard one, try and bust ppl at the table with reckless gambling hoping for a table break?

On that basis we all irritate you then...... :D

You're probably not going to be playing in next years Women World Open then?

Its probably not just yourself on this one. I know lots of women who get annoyed with, hate or feel threatened by women in similar strong positions as themselves. I used to see it a lot at my old job, where some of the female management were very calm under pressure and during conflict with 99% of the workforce, but would be fully prepared to claw the eyes out of another lady manager who made an ambiguous comment to them in a meeting.

I cant help but feel that the cause or solution to this problem is somehow something to do with shoes.....

It's definately a toughy.

There is no real answer as if someone suggestes sticking some earphones in then you are merely diguising the annoyance and not getting rid of the problem. It really just is a part of your game you will have to develop until you no longer find this an issue.

As Dave said, this is an occurance away from the poker table for some girls/women aswell.

Generally speaking, women will rarely pass up an opportunity to stick the knife in another woman in a competitive environment. I think this is because, as Tracey has said, women do have an advantage when dealing with men - the men just will not view a woman as a threat. This gives a lone woman an advantage, an advantage which is lessened by the presence of another woman.

This is particularly noticable on TV programmes like Big Brother or The Apprentice - the female contestants spend their whole time being bitchy about the other women, clawing each others' eyes out.

It's even worse when a woman is very good looking. Extremely good looking women have friends who are either as attractive as they are, or who are men. In fact, women will, generally (I'm doing well at the sweeping generalisations here), have female friends who are of similar attractiveness to themselves. Go on, think about women you know, and think about who their best friends are - I bet they're pretty much alike in terms of attractiveness.

She thinks and maybe you do too that she knows your game. Made I would put in a reraise with a nice catching hand. If she folds so be it. Maybe I would show the hand in this case. If it gets to the river and you caught she is going to be in a world of pain.......I have used this in the past to reasonably good effect. Afterwards it is harder to put you on a hand or style.

Now you irritate them because all of a sudden you are not the nice meek Tracey.......you are tricky Tracey that needs to be given more respect.........

I have just reread and I am not sure if this is good advice or cobblers........no I still think it is reasonable

Totally agree with this. I knew a girl at work who was not only the best looking person ive ever seen in real life but also one of the nicest, humblest and funniest people ive ever met. She had barely any female friends and I know a handful of girls who openly admitted they thought she was genuinley nice but didnt want to hang around with her because she was so pretty.

Another example that really sums it up, look at how the audience will boo every attractive woman as soon as she walks into the big brother house without any indication as to what she is like as a person yet. Some fat mess of a woman with the manners of a incontinent pig walks in and will get cheered because she isnt threatening.

Men dont help either though to perpetuate this, the amount of times I have bent over backwards for someone just because they are attractive is embarrasing to both me, and the human race in general.

It's how we're engineered.  We do all sorts of things based on how we're attracted to other people.  It even works with babies.  With their little cute faces and big eyes, it's human nature to want to look after the little blighters - and that feeling is triggered by their appearance.

We're slaves to our genes.

I think I understand what you're saying here. I know I've lost count of the amount of times I've wanted to bend some girl over backwards just because she was attractive.  ;kev;

Had a little prop bet with myself how long it would take to get a response like that. I won. :)

Sorry about that - I held back!

I think this whole man / woman, attractive / unattractive thing is getting a little bit away from the point. (Admittedly my last post wasn't exactly constructive)

I think there's a very high possibility that she was being funny with you purely because it might give her an advantage at the poker table. She wanted to put you on tilt and it seems like she may have succeeded slightly.

She's probably of the opinion that she's never going to be best mates with you anyway so she doesn't care what your opinion of her is. All she's bothered about is winning and anything she can do to give her even the slightest advantage is worth it even if it means someone not liking her.

I was talking to a player recently who I know gets a lot of peoples backs up when he plays. He's very arrogant at the table and puts a lot of people on tilt by the way he talks to them. He said the reason he does it is because he has no friends at the poker table. It's his job and part of his job is trying to make people make bad decisions.

I personally think he's a really nice bloke but I guess I can just understand why he does what he does. Try not to let it get to you. She's probably not that bad a person but even if she is just forget about her.

She is nobody in your life. She might as well not even exist. Just play your cards as each situation dictates and you'll soon find that it gets her back up that she's unable to affect your game with a bit of speech play.

I think many of the posts above seem to be concentrating on the gender issue here too much. Us blokes do exactly the same to each other, everyone has their nemesis at the poker table, either because they have annoyed you or givin you a bad beat in the past.

Personally i manage to keep it under control most of the time, quite lucky really seeing as anyone in a poker branded cap or shirt intstantly annoys the crap out of me! I dont mind if their sponsored but if they got theyre Full Tit baseball cap by saving points at the $0.0000015/$0.0000030 HORSE table it just winds me up!

So far i think ive busted myself out of 5 biggish tournaments whilst trying to bust these people for no other reason than their apparel!   ;grr;

No offence to anyone of course, just illustrating how different things annoy different people regardless of whether its male, female or shemale.

We did move away slightly from the general issue of players annoying us at the table, but there is definitely something to the idea of female players having animosity towards other female players.  In some cases the gender is the only reason for this animosity.

Anyway, must dig out my PokerStars top for when I play you next...

Agreed, I will - from now on - be imagining these female players with thick facial hair, BO and belching to make them more male like. Or in some cases this means they continue to look as they are...... ;whistle;

Do you have their phone numbers?

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Sorry - already given to Flushy...

Sisterhood? Pfft!

Women need to be in charge when it comes to sharing what they consider to be "Their" environment with others of the same gender. Let them call the shots and they are all sweetness and light, usurp their authority, and they will scratch out your eyes and piss in the sockets.

Let it go Trace. Strap a pair on and ignore them.

Tracey, Tracey, Tracey.

Over my knee pronto.

There are times when both sexes get on my tits. Just try and have a laugh with them, even if you can not stand the site of them, it usually works. Peeps with attitudes at the table are usually the worst players and are trying to prove they are good by acting instead of playing. Imangine yourself wearing blinkers. If that fails I usually respond to them nicely but really in my mind I am responding in a totally diiferent way in which I really can't type on here.

What about the person who decides to have a $1000 chip from the Bellagio as their card protector at a £10 rebuy?

That's deadly serious btw!!! Talk about 'my cock is bigger than yours' macho bs. And he was truly terrible at poker.

control it or be pepared to be pissed off with yourself everytime you knock yourself out of a tournament by making errors because someone has gotten under your skin.

a poker table really isnt a place for emotion (especially petty fueds) imo. If some famous bird wants to look down her nose at you then its her problem not yours. She's the one who has a problem and you should laugh it off. A lot of the female players I have met or played with are so pleasant at the tables (even to the other women). Maybe you just caught her on a bad day?? we all have them after all.

if all else fails and you absolutely cant stand another woman I would suggest about 60 gallons of jelly and an inflatable ring, blonde will be more than happy to buy the pay per view rights I am sure ;)

i dont get annoyed by other people at a poker table.

In fact I would say its the only time I dont get annoyed by other people.  When I sit down, an inner calm settles in.

i get life tilted pretty hard by a lot of live players.

but i hardly play live now, i just turn the ipod on full blast.

This is interesting... if I can't control a negative reaction to someone round the table (and sometimes this is unavoidable), I just sort of mentally distance myself from it, saying, "Yes, this person is an idiot.  Yes, they are annoying and their attitude problem makes the game less enjoyable," and then pretend they are just a blinking avatar with the propensity to mouth off a load of crap in the chat box.  Regardless of whether they are male or female I pretend they have a round picture of Matt Damon from Rounders and a nick like UPayMyRent - just another player to be played against, judged only on the frequency of their actions with chips. 

About the other point, it's funny that you say that women players are more Attitude-filled.  I don't think I've met a female player that I took an instant dislike to, attitude or not.  I think until recently a female player had to have a bit of a hard edge to a) want to live in the poker environment, especially the live game and b) put up with the silly generalisations made about them - especially if they have a bit of an ego, as many seem to.  Let other players worry about the chips on their own shoulders, and just concentrate on the ones in front of them :)

Thanks for the exclusion Trace :)

I've only been wound up by players at the poker table a couple of times.  Once was in a pub league game, and the other time was in a self-dealt jobbie at the Western.  Both times the players were downright rude.  I think the absence of dealers etc made them more inclined to carry on with the dickhead act.  In both cases I was talked to with such an attitude and sworn at and the atmosphere in general was sour.  In the pub league game I just left as there was no money involved, and in the western game I just donked off my chips and went home.  I play poker primarily because I enjoy it, and dickheads shooting their mouths off at me doesn't register as 'enjoyment' in my book.

Having said that, if I go to play poker in a nice establishment like Luton or DTD I know there's not going to be any behaviour of that type and I'm relaxed from the minute I get in.  I've never had anything other than an enjoyable experience at either place.  I'm quite friendly and chatty at the poker table, and if people want to scowl and have an attitude it doesn't bother me in the slightest, I'll just carry on being myself.  In fact, that's probably the best way to piss them off :D 

PS are you going to Luton tonight?  If you are, I'll come along.  Point em out to me and I'll go and put them on tilt by being all nice :D

In the case of JJ Liu, if it's not just a gender thing, rather an ego filled "star" it can be quite satisfying to constantly undermine someone who thinks they are a "face" at the table.  Things like asking the dealer, "how much did that player raise".  "What did seat X raise by", can slowly eat into them if they think everyone should know who they are :)

stoneii

Just hit them with your handbag :dontask:

Tracey

Something my mum would have said - 'rise above it' and throw those emotions out the window. If these players see themselves as having an effect on you then they have got you over a barrell. Politeness costs nothing but some folk are so much up their own backsides that they forget what daylight looks like. They are legends in their own heads and you should try to laugh at them rather than get irked. Easier said than done I know.

I've witnessed a few verbal spats at the live games but one I was involved in was horrible. I was playing at the final table and this woman's friend got knocked out but continued to sit next to her pal at the table even although we had a staffed dealer, he allowed this. Then they were both having a mobile phone conversation at the table. The final thing that annoyed me was whispering in each others ear and looking at me - after I refused a deal. It was all done to have a desired effect I'm sure and to some extend it did. I made a call to her all in and she said out loud 'you better not hit'. Given her play I thought she had nothing and hit nothing but I ended up sucking out on her on the river and she got up and strode out. I still felt pretty intimidated and didn't think I would have went back. Then I thought, nah that's what these people want and I dragged myself there the next week.

I've no idea if it was a gender thing. I thought it was more 'this is my stomping ground and I'm letting you know'. I think they would have done this to men also. They didn't come back the following week but 2 weeks later the woman I put out was there and I got talking to her; she was pretty pleasant and didn't curse and swear as much off the table as she did on it and certainly didn't behave like she had on previous weeks. I like a good curse myself at times but some people I've met on the tables curse every 2nd word. The older players I've met never swear at the table and I respect that much more. Bring back the old days with some good old fashioned respect! That's what I say :) Thanks for holding the door open ;)

Back to the women you have taken a dislike to - they are most likely jealous of you and your social abilities and as people have said - up their own backsides and need an ego massage. You take the attention away from them so they got to bring you down a peg or two (in their own heads). Just remember that you outclass them Tracey and allow yourself to relax and have fun as you normally do. Just be patient and wait on a good spot to bust them out ;) Don't buy into what they are doing and try to see them as not important. If that fails, follow them to the ladies, accidentally stand on their foot with your stilettos and then they will have something to be angry and bitter about...hehe