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Title: I can't think...
Post by: OnTheCards on June 11, 2008, 04:55:50 PM
First hand on a small limit cash game -

Seat 1: AllInToDisturbU ($4.45)
Seat 2: OnTheCards ($10)
Seat 3: Karazhan ($9.75)
Seat 4: Jevor Wonder ($10.40)
Seat 5: slapnik ($10)
Seat 6: DonKeyCaLLMe ($10)
Jevor Wonder posts the small blind of $0.05
slapnik posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to OnTheCards [Qc Tc]
AllInToDisturbU folds
OnTheCards raises to $0.35
Karazhan folds
Jevor Wonder calls $0.30
slapnik adds $0.10
slapnik folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 4s Jc]
Jevor Wonder bets $0.80
OnTheCards has 15 seconds left to act
OnTheCards raises to $2
Jevor Wonder raises to $10.05, and is all in
OnTheCards has 15 seconds left to act
OnTheCards has requested TIME
?



Title: Re: I can't think...
Post by: booder on June 11, 2008, 05:06:34 PM
limit ?    :dontask:


Title: Re: I can't think...
Post by: kinboshi on June 11, 2008, 05:21:27 PM
limit ?    :dontask:

Think he just means small stakes NL.



Title: Re: I can't think...
Post by: jakally on June 11, 2008, 05:33:19 PM

It's quite close, but I think I stick it in.

You need pot odds of  about 38% to justify the call.
Sometimes you will be against a set, or, worst case, a bigger flush draw.
Against these you are not good enough.

Just as often you will be up against a smaller flush draw, top pair, straight draw, where you have excellent odds.

Call.

(As a side point would have made the flop raise bigger.
As it stands he could call for a small bet compared to the flop, and a blank turn can start to put you in an awkward spot).


Title: Re: I can't think...
Post by: bolt pp on June 11, 2008, 05:52:47 PM
call


Title: Re: I can't think...
Post by: Sunday8pm on June 11, 2008, 06:06:43 PM
Obviously the lot goes in. But Ax clubs really cannot be ruled out. Players tend to flat call from the sb with strongish holdings. You are either up against AJ, set, or flush draw.

I'm pretty sure you have to get it in though.


Title: Re: I can't think...
Post by: Grier78 on June 11, 2008, 06:38:02 PM
If its your first hand why are you not on the big blind?


Title: Re: I can't think...
Post by: OnTheCards on June 11, 2008, 07:29:17 PM
If its your first hand why are you not on the big blind?

First hand I played and saw a flop, wasn't first first hand.

It's $0.05/0.10 on tilt. I sat with the full amount.

I didn't know what to put the other guy on as I had no read, top set or draw?


Title: Re: I can't think...
Post by: Grier78 on June 11, 2008, 08:31:24 PM
If its your first hand why are you not on the big blind?

First hand I played and saw a flop, wasn't first first hand.

It's $0.05/0.10 on tilt. I sat with the full amount.

I didn't know what to put the other guy on as I had no read, top set or draw?

Ok you are forgiven, lol


Title: Re: I can't think...
Post by: action man on June 12, 2008, 01:00:36 AM
you can fold if you want to lose money at poker.


Title: Re: I can't think...
Post by: AlexMartin on June 12, 2008, 03:42:29 AM
Download pokerstove for free, mess about with the ranges and look at the pot odds ur being given and compare to equity against said range, voila.


Title: Re: I can't think...
Post by: Suited_Jock on June 12, 2008, 01:13:31 PM
all in ship the red 9 on the turn!


Title: Re: I can't think...
Post by: jun_fan_lee on June 12, 2008, 02:03:39 PM
I tend to agree that u can lump it in here. I think a lot of the time the sb will be showing up with some kind of weird 2 pair like J8 or TPMK.

A set is quite possible as well but I think JJ and 88 would reraise pre (88 is dependant on how aggro the player is)

I think at the .10/.20 level the play is slightly more passive and the villain is unlikely to 4 bet ai with a bare flush (but may do with A4 clubs)