Title: Squeeze Plays Post by: TightEnd on November 07, 2005, 12:18:40 PM Do you use them? what is the minimum hand you need to use it? does it ever work for you online?
as an example I'm playing live, 12 players left, so approaching bubble Two tables of six Blinds 600-1200...I have 27,000 left after posting BB Button raises to 5,000 with 23k behind Small Blind flat calls after dwelling with 16k behind I'm in BB with Ah Js Marginal, don't particularly want to play it out of position, but Button has passed marginal situations and SB is a tight player I re-raise to 12k My thinking.....Button has to have an absolute monster to call with SB behind him SB hasn't re-raised...he can't have a huge hand, should pass anything marginal approaching bubble Button dwells...calls SB calls At the conclusion of the hand Button claims he called with 3c 3d (mucked post flop) SB turns over Ad 9c I think these are both horrible calls ( :D) what happened next is immaterial However.....is this the right sort of situation to attempt a squeeze play? Is the value of the Squeeze play now lower than it was, with everyone aware of it and doing it? Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: smithy69 on November 07, 2005, 12:20:22 PM wat is a squeeze play lol
Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: TightEnd on November 07, 2005, 12:23:17 PM a raise pre flop and a flat call, the squeeze is to re-raise attempting to make it difficult for initial raiser to call with the flat caller behind him. Once raiser passes, the fact that the flat caller of the raise hasn't re-raised before you act signals weakness and suggest in most cases a pass to your re-raise
I'm interested to know what sort of players people try this with and with what hands Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: Heid on November 07, 2005, 12:27:44 PM OK Important safety tip - the cards dont cut and paste well!
a raise pre flop and a flat call, the squeeze is to re-raise attempting to make it difficult for initial raiser to call with the flat caller behind him. Once raiser passes, the fact that the flat caller of the raise hasn't re-raised before you act signals weakness and suggest in most cases a pass to your re-raise I'm interested to know what sort of players people try this with and with what hands Ok, so I am interested now.. is this what I did last night to my chagrin on the 10k? mid position did a tentative raise, and the rest of the place clams up to me on BB - me being new agressive me... I'll grab the hand from that post. blueman15: posts small blind 150 Heidster: posts big blind 300 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to Heidster [ Ah Qh] Maverik67: folds grundy75: folds Stokkis: folds Steve_gw: folds Pantha: raises to 1200 SMYTH: folds Neil08121: folds b.rumson: folds blueman15: folds Heidster: raises to 4675 and is all-in Pantha: calls 3475 ----- FLOP ----- [ 2d 5h 4d ] ----- TURN ----- [ ][ Ts ] ----- RIVER ----- [ ][ Tc] ----- SHOW DOWN ----- Heidster: shows [ ] (A Pair of Tens, Ace high) Pantha: shows [ 7s 7d ] (Two Pairs, Tens and Sevens, Five high) Pantha collected 9750 from Main pot ----- SUMMARY ----- Total pot 9750 Main pot 9750 Rake 0 Board [ ] Seat 1: SMYTH folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: Neil08121 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: b.rumson (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: blueman15 (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: Heidster (big blind) lost Seat 6: Maverik67 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: grundy75 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: Stokkis folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: Steve_gw folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 10: Pantha showed [ ] and won (9750) with Two Pairs, Tens and Sevens, Five high Yah Boo Sucks... 104th Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: mikkyT on November 07, 2005, 12:28:50 PM AJ imo is a good hand to try this with, has the button been known to try to steal the blinds like this?
Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: ifm on November 07, 2005, 12:30:44 PM the thing is it only works with good players!!!
don't try it at star city :o Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: Gamblor21 on November 07, 2005, 12:38:40 PM It does'nt matter what hand you have... as you said you don't want to call with this hand!
I would make the raise bigger than 12k in that spot i think! have you reraised only 7k more? But the play certainly works on the net... i like to test people out for passing in the early stages, the squeeze play works on the flop/turn and river aswell. you just have to pick up on the bets... Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: TightEnd on November 07, 2005, 12:42:32 PM the thing is it only works with good players!!! don't try it at star city :o it didn't work here, I got two callers I didn't want (but I won the hand!) Gamblor, you make a good point...so you have 27k, it's 5k to you...i raised to 12k leaving me 15k or 12x bb.....how much do you re-raise and not leave yourself crippled if it backfires? Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: Gamblor21 on November 07, 2005, 01:11:59 PM I don't think you can be scared about going out/crippling yourself in this spot... I want that money in the middle i'l be making it at least anoth 10k to go maybe 17k as i want them to expect me to lump the rest in...
Remember your doing this because you think there weak, so play the hand with strength! and pass if i ever do it to you ;) Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: bobby1 on November 07, 2005, 02:48:09 PM I would like to add that I have been squeezed many times by Gamblor.....
Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: Gamblor21 on November 07, 2005, 02:59:51 PM Can we have that post edited lol!!!
It was only one drunken night in cardiff... You enjoy your hols bobby? Deserved them i think! Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: 77dave on November 07, 2005, 03:15:30 PM i tried this last night in the poker cruise 19 left in comp 11 get a seat im 6th in chips 3rd on the table
blinds 600-1200 4th position makes it 3000 6th pos flat calls i have a hand QQ but think if i move in i can take it right there and pick up the 7800 i discover that the inital raiser has AA and im cripled as he takes 2/3 of my stack Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: JP on November 08, 2005, 05:59:12 AM vs a button raiser and a sb caller with unknown info i'm probably all in here with my 27k. If you make a move need to be 100% commited. You have a high % of having the best hand also.
At It make very good squeeze plays his advice is good here. Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: TightEnd on November 08, 2005, 09:52:02 AM thanks JP and Ian...i played it too reticently...I saw the weakness that necessitated the squeeze play but was pre-occupied with leaving myself a playable stack if it backfired...AJ being such a marginal hand
let's see how it goes next time.... Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: yt on November 10, 2005, 12:31:06 PM Thought about this post when near the bubble tue night on stars 180 player $20 sit n go (good little tourney this on the sit n go multi tab NOT the tourney tab).
50 players left im the BB with 5k and QTo. min raise from under the gun (4k). SB (4k) calls I raise it up to 2 x pot (about 3k). They both fold. did they fold because we were near the bubble? or were they 'good players?!' anyway it worked and thanks for this post. It was easy to spot the situation to make this move (regardless of my cards) after reading this. :blonde: Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: matt674 on November 10, 2005, 12:40:32 PM Thought about this post when near the bubble tue night on stars 180 player $20 sit n go (good little tourney this on the sit n go multi tab NOT the tourney tab). You can find this under the tourney tab - it always appears at the top of the "registering" tournaments until it is filled then after a few seconds another one will appear. They are now running 24/7 and rumour has it they may be bringing in similar tourneys with different buy in amounts and maybe introducing the dreaded turbo tourneys in the same format. i'll be sticking to the normal mtt's though, tried a few and the standard of play in them was absolutely woeful - worse than a freeroll all in donk-fest!! Title: Re: Squeeze Plays Post by: yt on November 10, 2005, 01:41:32 PM maybe its in both tabs then?
I like the fact that its limited to 180 players so my time commitment to play is more or less set. Some of the mtts for $20 get to 1000+ players which doesn't appeal to me. even the $50 freezeouts are getting 500 players now. i like where they are going with the sit n go multi formats. 45 players / 90 players its all good. though i agree the turbos are a joke. 5 min blinds yikes |