Title: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: Legionnaire on June 19, 2008, 12:13:26 PM Someone please help me with this! The cash game at the International in Aberdeen has a reputation for being a bit out there, words like 'sick' and 'wild' have often been thrown at it, but last night it sunk to a new low when, at 4am, the 3 remaining players, for want of a better word, chose to play 14 card PLO Hi/Lo! Anyway the question arose; whats the optimum starting hand? Post the answer and I'll stick it on our notice board for future reference.
By the way if your wondering what sort of nutter would play such a game, allow me to enlighten you; Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Low?" Post by: Royal Flush on June 19, 2008, 12:15:24 PM AAAA234567KQJT
obv quadruple suited Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Low?" Post by: doubleup on June 19, 2008, 12:41:06 PM AAAA234567KQJT obv quadruple suited lol - how are you going to hit quads with that pile of crap Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: TightEnd on June 19, 2008, 12:52:58 PM A2345678JJQQKK
Connected in all four suits Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: MKKfish on June 19, 2008, 12:56:08 PM James is correct - You can't split the lo end
Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Low?" Post by: EvilPie on June 19, 2008, 02:33:05 PM AAAA234567KQJT obv quadruple suited lol - how are you going to hit quads with that pile of crap You don't need to. Nobody else can either!! Think I'd drop one of the aces for a 9 to improve the straight. We don't need all 4 even for the flush. Take A A A from three suits. Then K Q J to match these for straight flush possibilities. Then T8765432 in the other suit to stop anyone else getting a flush in that suit. I know they still could but it's a very long shot. Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: boldie on June 19, 2008, 02:47:48 PM If Ironmug is playing I don't care..just outplay him on the flop :)
Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: tikay on June 19, 2008, 02:57:36 PM A2345678JJQQKK Connected in all four suits What? No Ten? How you gonna hit a high straight unless one hits the Board?? Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Low?" Post by: MKKfish on June 19, 2008, 03:07:20 PM AAAA234567KQJT obv quadruple suited lol - how are you going to hit quads with that pile of crap You don't need to. Nobody else can either!! Think I'd drop one of the aces for a 9 to improve the straight. We don't need all 4 even for the flush. Don't drop the 4th A - half pot guaranteed every time it qualifies and mucho quartering at the same time.. Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Low?" Post by: doubleup on June 19, 2008, 03:54:53 PM AAAA234567KQJT obv quadruple suited lol - how are you going to hit quads with that pile of crap You don't need to. Nobody else can either!! Think I'd drop one of the aces for a 9 to improve the straight. We don't need all 4 even for the flush. Take A A A from three suits. Then K Q J to match these for straight flush possibilities. Then T8765432 in the other suit to stop anyone else getting a flush in that suit. I know they still could but it's a very long shot. Listen son I made a living on the 14 card omaha circuit for years b4 the damn internet was invented and qwodz is THE hand for the monies. Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: doubleup on June 19, 2008, 04:16:25 PM btw you do all know that getting the "best" hand is about as likely as getting a hand that you should fold preflop?
Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: boldie on June 19, 2008, 04:18:59 PM btw you do all know that getting the "best" hand is about as likely as getting a hand that you should fold preflop? lol..you nit..folding 50% of your hands in 14 card PLO...that's way too tight. Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: EvilPie on June 19, 2008, 04:28:35 PM Can we play 14 card omaha 8 at BB7??
Can we, can we, can we. Please please please. Just 3 of us though i suppose :) Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: doubleup on June 19, 2008, 04:43:23 PM Can we play 14 card omaha 8 at BB7?? Can we, can we, can we. Please please please. Just 3 of us though i suppose :) We can, but I use a point count system which means that I take an hour before the flop to decide what to do. Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: boldie on June 19, 2008, 04:51:21 PM Can we play 14 card omaha 8 at BB7?? Can we, can we, can we. Please please please. Just 3 of us though i suppose :) We can, but I use a point count system which means that I take an hour before the flop to decide what to do. So the same system as you have for Hold em then? Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: GlasgowBandit on June 19, 2008, 06:12:17 PM I like the sounds of this game :)
Anyone wanna play for wages next week? Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: SuperJez on June 19, 2008, 06:26:49 PM Haha Id just like to point out just straight 10 card PLO is miles better than 14 PLO Hi/Lo split......Goddam that ironside for choosing this game a few times last night. He's a hi-lo specialist apparently..................
As for the best starting hand. I would like AAAA2345KKQQJT with the 4 aces suited and the other cards equally spread amongst the suits. Ironside would find a way to outdraw it mind you. Anyone who fancys taking us on at this game is welcome to come to Aberdeen. We've been cleaning out wandering poker forum minstrals for years at such games............. Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: ariston on June 19, 2008, 07:17:20 PM aa23456789tqkds would be my choice. If the board isnt paired or flushed you have the nut straight more often than not (and a straight is the most common winning hand in omaha) ,even if the board is paired as log as the pair is the highest card you have the nut full house ( or 2nd nut boat if it isnt the highest card paired). You also have a 50% chance of having the nut flush if its a flushed board. Sure you may have to give up a 1/4 or an 1/8th of the pot but at least you are going to be able to play a big pot. If you have aaaa in your hand not many will play a big pot with you imo.
Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: Ironside on June 19, 2008, 07:19:01 PM I like the sounds of this game :) Anyone wanna play for wages next week? come on up mondays.tuesday.wednessday and fridays Haha Id just like to point out just straight 10 card PLO is miles better than 14 PLO Hi/Lo split......Goddam that ironside for choosing this game a few times last night. He's a hi-lo specialist apparently.................. As for the best starting hand. I would like AAAA2345KKQQJT with the 4 aces suited and the other cards equally spread amongst the suits. Ironside would find a way to outdraw it mind you. Anyone who fancys taking us on at this game is welcome to come to Aberdeen. We've been cleaning out wandering poker forum minstrals for years at such games............. just cause you had to fold the nut high with the pot around £400 when i nutted up high and low wish i had your dicpline the last hand when i went drawing for the high with the nut low in my hand and did myself out of £150 Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: Ironside on June 19, 2008, 07:20:43 PM so when we going to get super stud and PLO8 double into the choice of games
i am getting board with 6 card double and 8 card progressive irish not enough action in them Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: TheJamieGold on June 19, 2008, 07:34:14 PM Having AAAA in your hand is absolutely essential to having the premium hand because if you have this you and only you can have the nut Low, providing excellent bluffing opportunites to buy which would othrwise be a split pot, and also you are the only person who can ever have an ace high straight.
The Premium hand is AAAAKKQJT65432 The Gold has spoken Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: SuperJez on June 19, 2008, 07:50:55 PM I can see your point Jamie but id rather have the QQ than add the 6into the low hand.
Ironside you motherf***er lol just for the record I had nut high and 2nd nut low Flop K85 two clubs. Important cards in my hand KKA24679 with nut clubs I checkraise flop (ironside obviously bets when checked to him, ty kind sir). Ironside calls Turn 2 (pretty shit but my hand still decent) I bet 100 quid, Ironside calls River 7 not a club. Gay, I have nut high but only2nd nut low. I check to ironside who bets near 400 quid. I have to fold as I lose 70 pound on a call if he has nut nut and thats all I can put him on (I only haev one 6 and one 9 in my hand). I fold disgustedly and a very happy ironside tables nut nut. MOTHER F***ER!!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: Ironside on June 19, 2008, 07:57:37 PM my hand was something like A234566789TTJK i had 5 or 6 clubs in my hand so i have blockers for his boats and flushes and all over the straight
i was loving the turn as the only cards i didnt nut on the high was a paired board a queen or a club Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: The Admiral on June 19, 2008, 08:22:48 PM ref 14 card hi/lo ironside/superjez and jamie gold wouldnt recognize a premium starting hand if it hit them on the face.
they cant fold 6 cards never mind 14 i would refer them to mr. lees book on 14 card hi/lo for further sdtudy. Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: TheJamieGold on June 19, 2008, 08:30:54 PM No one is doubting your superior folding skills to any other mortal on the face of the planet. Now you just need to work on when to bet, raise, bluff, check, float and call!
Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: SuperJez on June 19, 2008, 09:16:26 PM Ironside dont lie you admitted afterward you dint have A2 and were only drawing to an A3 low! you did have a few clubs tho yeah. Admiral, we could all find use with lessons from the celebrity chef imo, well all of us apart from Razor maybe.
Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: Ironside on June 19, 2008, 09:29:22 PM "something like"
yeah i am not sure if i had the 2 Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: SuperJez on June 19, 2008, 09:58:42 PM You didnt have it. mother f***er!!!!!!
Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: boldie on June 20, 2008, 08:38:36 AM No one is doubting your superior folding skills to any other mortal on the face of the planet. rotflmfao Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: donsboy83 on June 20, 2008, 11:32:41 PM wow - can u imagine if I was in that hand !!!!!!!!! - it would take me all nite to raise or fold!!!!!!!! lol
Vote for Celebrity Chef Mr Li to make a monthly appearance - everyone in the hoose say aye!!!!! Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: Ironside on June 21, 2008, 06:29:55 AM aye
stuart where where you last night? Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: SuperJez on June 21, 2008, 06:33:14 AM ironside you big fish
Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: Ironside on June 21, 2008, 06:36:56 AM fits up super"i will suck out on les for a £1500 pot"jez
Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: SuperJez on June 21, 2008, 06:44:03 AM oy more like 1700 and les dished out some beats of his own lsat night, much worse than that one, i had OESD plus nut flush draw
Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: cferguson984 on June 21, 2008, 06:48:24 AM best hand is obvious 66667777888899, anyone up for some high stakes rileys action on sunday?
Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: Legionnaire on June 21, 2008, 06:17:26 PM wow - can u imagine if I was in that hand !!!!!!!!! - it would take me all nite to raise or fold!!!!!!!! lol Told you guys before; you cant have him, find your own bitch!Vote for Celebrity Chef Mr Li to make a monthly appearance - everyone in the hoose say aye!!!!! Title: Re: "What is the optimum starting hand at 14 card PLO Hi/Lo?" Post by: Ironside on June 21, 2008, 06:25:49 PM wow - can u imagine if I was in that hand !!!!!!!!! - it would take me all nite to raise or fold!!!!!!!! lol Told you guys before; you cant have him, find your own bitch!Vote for Celebrity Chef Mr Li to make a monthly appearance - everyone in the hoose say aye!!!!! your skating on thin ice |