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The pot is now 45k

you hold  7h 8s

you to act first with the button as your sole opponent and who has 40k left whilst you have around 200k

The board now reads:

 6h 9h Ks Tc

You are to act first and I think that you have a lot to think about here and this is what this hand was primarily all about.

Think of what has taken place so far as foreplay and this is the bit that will require you to do most thinking.

What are you going to do? Check or Bet? And if you bet how much will you bet?

I make a bet of about 15k, any more and it would discourage a bluff all-in. The opponent might think I can still fold. If he calls I bet 15k again on the river whatever hits.

That's unless he has the lead (betting initiative), in which case I'd check with intent to raise.

Ok I would never get myself in this position but lets just say I did..... Bet 30k to give him incorrect odds to draw for his flush but make it so he can still reraise with a set/2 pair type hand. I dont like this situation and I don't like the way the hand has been played but the only hand that can be beating you is Qh Jh(if he has it then tough titties I am beat), there is of course the possibility of him having the same hand as me of course. I would have to be seriously out of touch to get myself in this position as I could not see me ever being here as its just not my game style.

He only bet 10,000 into a 15,000 pot on the flop, so I don't put him on the King. The flop has drawing possibilites so you would expect the flop bet to be more with a top pair hand.

He flatcalled preflop with a low stack, so I don't put him on 9-6 or K-6. It's possible that he has something like K9 suited, but I'd be surprised.

He may be betting a set. If so, it's most likely to be 6s as he'd probably push with Kings or 9s to punish the limpers. Betting trip 6s is a viable option because he his in last position, fearful of the draws, but only betting 2/3rds of the pot, perhaps to try and entice just the 1 caller.

I may suspect a flush draw. He can semi-bluff 10k without being forced to place his whole stack on the line if he is checkraised.


So...

I would check raise. I fully expect him to bet this turn. Whether he has trip 6s, KQ, or the flush draw, I think he'll still bet, and he'll be forced to bet big, which in turn will give more value to your made hand.

If you bet you hand straight off then you run the risk of scaring him away.

A small bet is a viable option as it may induce a bluff. However, with the button being short-stacked, it would probably look a little too suspicious.

Without looking at any of the other's responses i would just raise all in here. If i had played the hand this way then i am not going to let the hand go once i have made it. An all in move might sound extreme but the pot is now 1/3 of my stack size and is definitely worth taking down here. I am probably missing the finer intricacies of this hand but i am not going to make my hand to then fold when i have made it. I am also not willing to let the button hit his flush if that is what he is going for.

Only a Q-J is ahead here and if he has that so be it, however it is unlikely that he raised on the flop with an inside straight draw unless he has Q-Jh and then i was going to lose anyway.

I would put the other fella allin, if he's drawing to a better hand he has to stick his chips in to hit it.

I totally disagree with other posters who are feart of a flush draw. Bet for value to get paid offa the K or some bozzo wot wants to get tricky with A10.

You're going to be against one of those two more often than you're against two hearts. When you are up against the big red pumpers betting 15k still ain't the worst play in the world.

Most playable hands here are drawing dead against you. Dinnae give em a chance to lay down.

Well, he could have a wide range of hands still...just in case there is the draw, you can't give him the free card....a check raise is tempting but I'd lead out and bet 40k, setting him all-in. My money is going in now while ahead of anything he's got, top pair, two pair, trips, flush draw witht he sole exception of  QJ. If he's got that, fair play...I've hit the hand I've been calling to hit, so that's poker

I agree entirely, if you attempt a check raise and he checks behind you and a heart rivers or the board pairs, then what?

 Taking the initiative would be my way forward

I don't see why he would check if you checked.

Good point snoopy!

Just went back and read the FLOP thread. Yes he would bet most of his possible hands :blonde:

I had just typed "I would still lead out though with a 40k bet" when I thought I would be more likely to get more money in the pot with a check raise. If he's got two pairs or trips he's more likey to bet out than he is to call for his stack.

So I've changed my mind.

Great thread(s) Harry

though in fairness snops, people don't often do what you might expect.
satelites spring to mind lol

I think that even for a unpredicatble player, checking the turn from the button would be too dangerous.

Is there another thread with the continuation of this?

It's the best hand analysis thread(s) by far. Great stuff. But I'm dying from frustration here.....what happened?

i set him all in if he has me beat with JQ then so be it. im quite happy to take the pot down there if hes drawing to a flush then i dont mind him calling as the odds are in my favour again same story if he has trips.

I know, Harry just left it........maybe someone can go on THM and remind him about this thread(s)

It needs to be finished........and then the whole series of threads included in 'Best of Blonde'.

Please, Harry?

It says he was last on here Christmas day, pm him and remind him

Already PM'd him.

I guess he's been busy, but here's hoping he can finish the series.

Oooooooooooooops!

It has been brought to my attention that I didn't complete this thread so here it is....

Unfotunately there is no real conclusion

On the turn the cutt off having made their straight bet the size of the pot and the buton folded.

An unsatisfactory end to the thread no doubt but there is a great deal of controversy over how much the cutt off should have bet.

Most people went for betting nothing or something very small to allow the button to continue with a further bet or bluff.

Personally having had the button bet the flop and then calling as the cut off, think it is more than reasonable to assume that the button had something and that as such it was unlikely that they would fold. Of course it is possible that the button was on a draw or complete bluff but due to the sheer numbers seeing the flop felt that it is reasonable to assume that the button is deep enough into this hand to have to call.

As such if they are on a draw I want to give them bad odds so will bet around 2/3 the pot or at least half the buttons remaining stack as I want ot play for all their money.

The button subsequently folding to a bet is neither here nor there because you don't have this information at the time it is your turn to act on fourth street.

If they are on a draw it would be criminal imho to allow an opponent to suck out on you at this critical stage of a tournament and the pot is big enough for you to take it down.

If they have you beat at this point with a bigger straight then its just too bad, I want all the buttons money and betting a paltry amount is not the way to get it. I want to bet hoping they have something like top pair and a straight draw or two pair so all the money will go in. Them folding is just unfortunate.

Well those are my views on this anyway.

Sorry for forgetting about this...it coincided with either going to Monte Carlo or the USA and my having a mini internet access problem. Not like me to leave things up in the air...sincerest apologies.

No need to apologise for providing the best analysis thread by miles!

Thank you.  :respect:

Thanks Harry.

We will forgive you - on THIS occasion - if you Post another Hand Analysis. We have this section now especially for Hand Analysis, so your input would be very welcome.

You should be aware that I have had a lot of PM's from blondes who have suggested that your Hand Analysis Posts should be added to the "Best of blonde" Section, so that shows how much the Members  value them. More please!

As to my view of the hand, I'd have moved all-in. But then again, have you ever seen my Heads-Up record? I did it yet again last night, playing fora first prize of $7k - I had a MASSIVE Heads-Up lead, but managed to blow it. Some things never change.